Wolfram, I don't trust that. Because it keeps happening. Immortaliz(s)ation? Dude. You can't stop.

Don't take everything so seriously, Allyson. It was a simple spelling question, and it's what we do here.

Are you saying you don't trust the Buffistas or are you saying you don't trust me? Because if it's the latter, well at least you can trust the Buffistas to keep me in check. Or haven't you been paying attention?

Allyson, I can see you're feeling pessimistic generally. FWIW, we do yammer eternally, and I think the willingness to yammer is a sign that we're, you know, not going off the deep end into Weirdoland. Sure, 100 seem always to decide for 900, but the 900 do have the opportunity to decide; they just choose not to vote.

I mean, the lurkers could organize and stage a lurky protest and vote No on everything that gets voted on, until we were a muddle of failed proposals and recrimination, but, ummmm, why bother? (Also, how would the lurkers organize? Hey, that's kind of a neat question!)

I keep my hand in, and therefore have faith that it will mostly all work out in a way I can live with. The more hands kept in, the more people can live with the results, the less of a need for panic mode.

The more hands kept in, the more people can live with the results, the less of a need for panic mode.

I'm just concerned that when there's too much yammering, that also causes not only panic, but bad feelings that we didn't get when we just talked rather than voted.

I don't think voting is a bad method of counting who talked pro and who talked con. I think we're taking it really (way too) seriously though, and it's hurting us.

I agree with Cindy, except for there was bad feeling when we discussed and didn't vote. I had bad feeling then. Also, I am reading over the WX Bureacracy thread for Nutty, and we had a whole kerfluffle about merging threads.

Although there are 100 people deciding for 900, before there was whoever showed up.

Also, shoot me now, because I am skimming, like 1000 posts on thread naming.

I don't think voting is a bad method of counting who talked pro and who talked con. I think we're taking it really (way too) seriously though, and it's hurting us.

I think I'm starting to agree with Plei as to just how wise Cindy is.

Voting was supposed to make things easier and nicer. It's a testament to us that we've not disintegrated with some of the sniping that's been done over some of these issues.

As it is, I know I put on my super-cranky asshat when the Tim thread discussion started, and at the time I felt I had some valid objections which helped drive my asshatness.

Today? Fuck it. Tim deserves a thread. Let's give him one.

And I would not be surprised if this flip-flop fills Allyson with a seething hatred of me. If it does, I'm happy to report for the brutal, painful ass-beating of her choice.

But will she beat your asshat or your actual ass?

I suspect there will be beating of my ass with the asshat.

Also, shoot me now, because I am skimming, like 1000 posts on thread naming.

I am so sorry, Sophia. I knew someone would have to take on the pain and suffering of WX B1. FWIW, Phx B1 is no great picnic either, although as an historical note, the Politics proposal came for the first time here about 5 days after we went live. But yes, much in the way of bad feelings, both before and after voting. Remember the 500 posts about math??

Sean, all due respect, I am generally against the "fuck it" method of self-rule. It tends to lead to many unintended consequences and sometimes to unintended precedents that people want to follow forever and ever after. I am all about the think-before-you-strike. And then saying "fuck it" at the last minnute and flying to Los Angeles, but that's another matter.

Allyson, I can see you're feeling pessimistic generally.

That's pretty accurate, yup. I realize that I'm on the far end of pessimism, as well. I understand this can be frustrating and generally try not to interfere unless my back gets so up about an issue that my head is explody. In which case, I should probably still not get involved. Bureaucracy, mostly, makes me seeth with hate and is why I needed to back away from the Buffistae. All my ishes. I'm owning them, and hugging them, and naming them George.

Don't take everything so seriously, Allyson.

I think we're missing each other's gist. I feel that you take things too seriously, almost all the time, and that your constant poking at The Way Things Are Done sucks the fun out of my own Buffistae experience?

Do I trust you? Nope. Not in the least. I don't know you. I trust ita and Kat and Lori and Kristen and Monique, because they aren't just Buffistas, but meatspace folks I know well.

Trust a collective of 100 people I don't know well to not hyperbole their way through renaming every Buffista 7 of 10, 8 of 10, and so on, so that gosh darn it, everyone will be equal? NSM.

We're still ruling by our social stock, we've just created the illusion of community consensus. There's a subcommunity of people who discuss, vote, and write 8 page posts on the definition of quorum, and the subcommunity seems to be making decisions for the rest of the community.

Or, I'm on crack. Which is always a possibility.