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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Lyra Jane - May 09, 2003 12:38:12 pm PDT #1541 of 10005
Up with the sun

Well, more posts do fill the database faster, but there are also some community/personal comfort issues, Wolf.


Sue - May 09, 2003 12:41:28 pm PDT #1542 of 10005
hip deep in pie

Look, thread creation, existence, and eventual archiving affects all of us because it takes up bandwith and there's only a certain amount of threads we can comfortably hold. So for content of threads, look to the posters, but for existence it's really up to the community at large.

I can see this argument, Wolfram being applied to thread-sprawl, but not to the constriction of active threads. If we're using the bandwidth for good, we're part of the community, and there's a demand for it, why cancel a thread for the sake of saving some bandwidth? It's that kind of logic that gets shows like Firefly cancelled. Shouldn't the board be responsive to the needs of the community? Isn't that why we moved to a semi-dedicated server? Are our bandwidth problems really that dire?


Sophia Brooks - May 09, 2003 12:44:55 pm PDT #1543 of 10005
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

AAAAARRRRGGHHH!

Why are we fighting about this?! We were just talking about some housekeeping issues inherant in the end of Buffy. I don't think we should get rid of any current threads that are not redunantly Buffy.

In addition there has been talk of a) perhaps combining Due South and Smallville and b) adding a new Tim's show thread and a new "graduates of ME thread."

No one is going to close the Canadians.


Allyson - May 09, 2003 12:50:51 pm PDT #1544 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

No one is going to close the Canadians.

Crap. And here I was with my Close Canada! flag.

Why are we fighting about this?!

I dunno.

In addition there has been talk of a) perhaps combining Due South and Smallville and b) adding a new Tim's show thread and a new "graduates of ME thread."

Aye aye, capn. Can I propose a three-in-one?


Wolfram - May 09, 2003 12:51:19 pm PDT #1545 of 10005
Visilurking

I can see this argument, Wolfram being applied to thread-sprawl, but not to the constriction of active threads.

The issues are similar and the arguments apply to both. Obviously more deference would be given to existing threads over non-existing ones.

If we're using the bandwidth for good, we're part of the community, and there's a demand for it, why cancel a thread for the sake of saving some bandwidth?

Nobody's saying we should. Only cancel a thread if nobody's using it, or it's clearly redundant.

The point is that the Buffista community-at-large is more than capable of "doing the right thing" when it comes to existing threads that people care about, even if the entire community isn't active in that thread. But I would be very opposed to a subcommunity having greater voting rights on their thread than anyone else.


Sue - May 09, 2003 12:54:04 pm PDT #1546 of 10005
hip deep in pie

I'm not really talking about just the Canadians, though, Sophia. And I don't really want to argue about it more. It just touches some buttons I have with the whole way Bureau is nowadays. I really just came here to see how the name for Buffy race was going. I think I'll go back to my unsubscribed, ignorance is bliss ways.


Megan E. - May 09, 2003 1:04:53 pm PDT #1547 of 10005

And I don't really want to argue about it more.

I don't want to fight about it either. My concerns have been stated and I'll just leave them as they are. I didn't mean to sound hostile or to offend anyone, so if I did, I'm sorry.

I will say that with only 6 official Atlantic Canadians and over 700 subscribed buffistas, any vote affecting our thread would no doubt leave us in the minority. I understand though that this is not going to happen, something that makes me very happy.


Deena - May 09, 2003 1:11:33 pm PDT #1548 of 10005
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I thought we'd gone into hypothetical what do we do in the future land (which, of course, always means trouble). I also didn't think we were fighting. I'm sorry if I helped raise anyone's blood pressure.


Jesse - May 09, 2003 1:11:51 pm PDT #1549 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If we're using the bandwidth for good, we're part of the community, and there's a demand for it, why cancel a thread for the sake of saving some bandwidth?

I think we've seen that any time closing or combining threads has come up, the members of the community who use it have made their pitch, and the thread has stayed open.

In the case of the spoiler thread, the feelings of the current spoiler community members were given greater weight than those of others, I think -- it seems like there is a pretty significant number of Buffistas who would have gone to a single-show spoiler thread, but not to the general one. But a single thread it has stayed.

Me, I'm disinclined to have specific threads for non-ME shows, even the ones we have now. But people like them, and post in them, and whatever, and it's fine. I would really like to have the "Who Are We?" discussion before we open up any new threads, though. We have all summer, right? Can we please do that.

Also, while our current bandwidth issues aren't dire per se, they could be pretty quickly, if new show threads (and the closing of other Buffy boards like Allyson mentioned) draw a large number of new posters.


Jesse - May 09, 2003 1:12:57 pm PDT #1550 of 10005
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I will say that with only 6 official Atlantic Canadians and over 700 subscribed buffistas, any vote affecting our thread would no doubt leave us in the minority.

Do you really think that most people would ignore what you want? For no apparent reason?