Zoe: What's that, sir? Mal: Freedom, is what. Zoe: No, I meant what's that? Mal: Oh. Yeah. Just step around it. I think something must've been living in here.

'Out Of Gas'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


Deena - Apr 22, 2003 1:42:55 pm PDT #1039 of 10005
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

FWIW, Amych, I don't have any problem with adding to the official language that we ditch the rules in case of emergency if that will make people happy.

Edited to make sense.

Also, I think Nutty asked for volunteers, so if she still needs 'em, I'm willing. Just point me in the right direction.


Wolfram - Apr 22, 2003 1:47:18 pm PDT #1040 of 10005
Visilurking

As I understand the situation, mieskie was suspended, then banned when he continued to post as mmieskie, Michael, etc. When he returned as Schmoker/Ananthema, his identity was discovered and he chose to leave quietly for violating his banned status.

I went back to B'cy 1, to see if this was true and it was. It's interesting to note that the whole mmmieskie/Michael business was his attempt to respond to the allegations in the B'cy thread which he hadn't been previously invited to. This is in contrast to the recent Zoe situation where we bent over backwards for days trying to get her to respond in the B'cy thread to no avail.

Personally I think we should have given mieskie more of an opportunity to respond, and less of an opportunity to Zoe. But the board is definitely learning from the past which is a very positive thing.


amych - Apr 22, 2003 1:48:48 pm PDT #1041 of 10005
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

But the board is definitely learning from the past which is a very positive thing.

Yes. This. I think as long as we go along with that in mind, we'll come out okay (if occasionally with some local bruising).


Deena - Apr 22, 2003 1:50:31 pm PDT #1042 of 10005
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

t shin-kicking wolfram

t whistling innocently


scrappy - Apr 22, 2003 1:51:29 pm PDT #1043 of 10005
Nobody

Wolfram--just wanted to mention that here was a post of yours in B'cy and that I was HEARTILY IN AGREEMENT! You go, Dude!


Wolfram - Apr 22, 2003 1:51:51 pm PDT #1044 of 10005
Visilurking

Ouch!

Mom, Deena's kicking me!


Wolfram - Apr 22, 2003 1:53:30 pm PDT #1045 of 10005
Visilurking

I guess we're all learning from our past. :)


Lyra Jane - Apr 22, 2003 1:57:07 pm PDT #1046 of 10005
Up with the sun

Hi, Wolfram. Good to see you back.

It's interesting to note that the whole mmmieskie/Michael business was his attempt to respond to the allegations in the B'cy thread which he hadn't been previously invited to. This is in contrast to the recent Zoe situation where we bent over backwards for days trying to get her to respond in the B'cy thread to no avail.

That is interesting, and helps explain why the mmmieskie/Michael posts were so pissed off (I didn't watch Firefly, so the Bureaucracy kerfuffle was really the first I heard of him.). I'm glad we've codified a procedure that will prevent something like that in the future.


bon bon - Apr 22, 2003 2:00:53 pm PDT #1047 of 10005
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I know I was against bending over backward to invite mieskie to bureaucracy-- I don't buy that he wouldn't have been as pissy about the discussion if we had. (and schmoker, who knew full well this thread existed, was a jerk here too.) Is it true that no one informed him? I thought someone had.


Deena - Apr 22, 2003 2:03:40 pm PDT #1048 of 10005
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I actually believe he said he was informed backchannel, through e-mail or somesuch. He was pissy, because, IMO, he was trying to put everyone on the defensive so that his accusers would feel guilty and drop it.

I don't know what you're talking about, Wolfie. I'm just over here in the corner whistling.

And, whatever I think about that situation, I do think it's a good idea to invite someone who offends into bureacracy to discuss things.