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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Gandalfe - Mar 20, 2003 11:13:19 pm PST #92 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

What is insulting or offensive about it?


DavidS - Mar 20, 2003 11:16:44 pm PST #93 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, is that a word I'm not allowed to use?

You can use any words you want.

I think we're just going to say "sorry. you can bring it up all you like but nothing's going to happen for 6 months, see this link".

But this is what's going to happen.

See, the idea of telling someone that THEY CANNOT SAY SOMETHING is utterly and absolutely abhorant to me. Browbeating them is fine, I have no problem with that, but free speech is fairly important to me, strange as that might seem.

You know if I were Nilly I could pull up literally thousands of posts among the Buffistas defending free speech. Can you trust me if I say this is so? You're not the only person on this board with a passion for this subject. We're talking about how to convert that free speech into functionality. We're balancing it against the meta.

Balance. Moderation. Good things.


Burrell - Mar 20, 2003 11:17:26 pm PST #94 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oh, is that a word I'm not allowed to use?

Use it if you want, Gandalfe. You won't be banned for using the word "banned", even if you are literally--if jokingly--asking to be banned. Just realize that rhetorically, it is not very effective unless the desired effect was to anger others.

Likewise, I have a similar reaction to someone saying that the board is squelching their free speech. This is a private board with an international membership. We are not constitutionally bound to uphold the 4th Amendment.


DavidS - Mar 20, 2003 11:17:33 pm PST #95 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What is insulting or offensive about it?

The implied presumption that you're the sole defender of free speech here.


Kat - Mar 20, 2003 11:21:23 pm PST #96 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Gandalfe, I think the issue is not whether or not someone brings it up, but whether or not the community feels compelled to act on it.

Also, using words like banning here is akin to using the word lynching in order to scour up an emotional response. It's, to quote you, "absolutely abhorant" and a weak rhetorical device.

In discussions where someone waves the first ammendment flag, I'm always intrigued by the lack of understanding that a freedom to do something is hogtied with a responsibility. In the case of free speech, IMO, the freedom to say what you want is tied to the responsibility of understanding what impact your words and your desire to ram something down the throat of the community will have on the community itself.

Freedom comes with responsibity. And I'm not just saying that because I have a Spider-Man phone.

ETA: Or you know, what everyone else said cause they're always less longwinded than I.


bitterchick - Mar 20, 2003 11:21:35 pm PST #97 of 10289

What is insulting or offensive about it?

Because you made a banning crack earlier this evening and you saw, first hand, that the reaction was not one of amusement. So choosing to poke people again and continue this implication that we ban people willy-nilly insults this community and offends me, one of its members.


Gandalfe - Mar 20, 2003 11:23:46 pm PST #98 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

The implied presumption that you're the sole defender of free speech here.

Where is that? Show me where my use of the word ban implies that I think I'm the only one who cares about it?

Can you trust me if I say this is so?

Certainly. I'm merely stating my point, and arguing it. Doesn't mean that other people don't have the same feeling, and I apologize if anyone took it that way.


Gandalfe - Mar 20, 2003 11:28:53 pm PST #99 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

I made the crack earlier after being told that, because I wasn't on World Crossing before, I shouldn't be allowed to

make any decisions (or) vote on any topics.

As far as my statement earlier in this thread, I was asking a serious question. What are the consequences? The general feeling seems to be that there aren't any, really, which is a valid answer to the question.


DavidS - Mar 20, 2003 11:29:49 pm PST #100 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

and I apologize if anyone took it that way.

Let's go from here then, and get this back on track.

Don't you think? The issue, not the personalities, not the flareups, not the friction? More light less heat?

I vote that Kat has the coooooolllest cell-phone.

Oh wait...we're not on that one.

Six months! It is the only right answer (henceforth, the Jesse approach).


Deena - Mar 20, 2003 11:34:42 pm PST #101 of 10289
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Gandalfe, I don't recall you ever being told you couldn't do something because you weren't there. I believe one person, upset at the trend and tone of the conversation, made a remark that was never intended to be taken seriously.

As for the consequences, I don't see that as a problem. If you bring it up, you'll be directed to the post where the decision was publicized. If you continue to bring it up, most likely people will ignore you because they don't want to talk about it anymore. The more you bring it up, the greater number of people who ignore. That's just the way people are.

edited to add: That's the way I am. If it's been asked and answered, answered again, then I ignore if it's asked again and again. YMMV.