Am I correct in that the point of the proposal is to make it more difficult for new threads to be created?
Yes, there is. There's a hurry, Xander. I'm dying...I may have as few as fifty years left.
Anya ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Laga - May 15, 2008 1:12:15 pm PDT #8739 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
§ ita § - May 15, 2008 1:20:24 pm PDT #8740 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see anything in the proposal that mentions thread creations--Jesse, was that what you had in mind? I've certainly seen it raised in scenarios where thread creation wasn't the topic of discussion. It isn't all we talk about.
-t - May 15, 2008 1:25:33 pm PDT #8741 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I don't think so, Laga.
I don't necessarily object to removing No Preference on philosophical rather than practical grounds, but I agree that Jon's Point #2 needs to be sorted out. Unfortunately, I have no suggestions.
Typo Boy - May 15, 2008 1:27:58 pm PDT #8742 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Currently planning to vote "no preference" on this...
NoiseDesign - May 15, 2008 1:30:24 pm PDT #8743 of 10289
Our wings are not tired
Only if Jesse gives that as an option.
Jesse - May 15, 2008 1:42:53 pm PDT #8744 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I am interested in talking about participation in decision-making. I think it's probably a good idea to raise the bar in terms of number of participants -- and I don't think voting NP is really participating. I don't think "most people don't care one way or the other" (whether shown by not voting or by voting NP) to be a good enough reason to do something.
I do seeing making it harder to start new threads as part of this, but definitely not all of it.
Jon B. - May 15, 2008 1:47:55 pm PDT #8745 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I do seeing making it harder to start new threads as part of this,
How does removing NP make it harder to start new threads?
Jesse - May 15, 2008 1:52:00 pm PDT #8746 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Really, I don't know if it does -- maybe everyone who votes NP would vote yes. I think I'm looking to raise the bar on "legit" decisionmaking.
This is not some crusade I'm on -- I'm genuinely interested to hear what other people think. In a time-limited discussion.
Jon B. - May 15, 2008 2:00:36 pm PDT #8747 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Sorry, if I'm coming across as overly confrontational. I'm just trying to understand the motivation of the antinopreferencistas. The philosophical argument is a good one. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I can understand it.
brenda m - May 15, 2008 2:01:29 pm PDT #8748 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
NP originally came up, as I recall, for those times when you didn't really have an opinion but wanted the option to basically say "I think we should settle this question, I don't care how." Which could come from a "their voices should be heard!" or "they should shut and go away" place equally well, I think. (With they being whoever was proposing whatever.)
With a side of "we're all big voting geeks and can't stand the idea of sitting out a vote, however meaningless to us personally."
At the time, we didn't know if we were going to see a lot of things go all the way through lightbulbs and voting and then just...stop with no resolution because it was a small or limited issue.
I think we've seen that's not the case. I'm ready to let go of it.
I'm open to raising the number of votes to pass, but I'd like to consider the voting numbers of the past few years more carefully before committing.