I don't think that anyone is doing that. I really don't.

I guess I feel like the merits of this thread were not engaged fairly by the against side.

You're all my friends, and I adore you! I don't actually think any of you are engaging the discussion in bad faith or out of spite.

But there have been many arguments put forth as to how there way in which this specific thread idea is different from others. In response, it feels like all that has come back is "I disagree." But without any supportive arguments, how is that in good faith.

I liked Scrappy's post because it was an argument I could engage, and be swayed by.

I liked Plei's post from her phone just now, because it was an argument that I could engage, and be swayed by (and have been in the past).

Being told by the against side that they "just plain disagree" with the arguments presented is not being engaged in good faith. It gives nothing to work with.

Not giving actual responses to arguments put forth as to why a gaming thread is different from other threads (say, a dedicated BSG space) is not being engaged in good faith. If you don't respond to an argument with anything other than "I just plain disagree," how is that arguing in good faith?

And again, for the record, I love you all, and I'm sorry that my part in this discussion makes any of you unhappy with me.

I had an evil thought about proposing a thread to discuss thread-creation issues.

Then the meta of it tangled itself up in my head and another part of my brain threatened to stroke out if I didn't stop it already.

But I did come up with a possible name for such an evil thread:

Threads: Like the Nuclear-Apocalypse Movie But With More Pain and Fear.

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I guess I feel like the merits of this thread were not engaged fairly by the against side.

And clearly, the against side feels *I* have not engaged this discussion in good faith either.

Obviously I feel I have, or have tried. I *know* you all feel you have engaged in good faith. We can't both be right, so we're probably both wrong, but there's probably *some* bad faith engagement from both sides, then.

I guess I feel like the merits of this thread were not engaged fairly by the against side.

I posted here with specific concerns about the sustainability of a gaming thread and recieved exactly ONE response, from Nutty, saying "Oh, interesting."

So again, right back atcha.

In conclusion, fuck this, let's vote.

[eta:

I *know* you all feel you have engaged in good faith.

But thank you for acknowledging this, at least.]

You know, I'm starting to think that at this point in our history, it might work better to focus discussion on just the specific proposal. It's when every single proposal turns into a broader referendum that people's feelings get hurt, IMO.

And I know that for some people, the reason they think Thread X is a bad idea is that they think new threads in general are a bad idea, but maybe we'd have more productive discussions if they focused on specific reasons against Thread X.

I posted here with specific concerns about the sustainability of a gaming thread and recieved exactly ONE response, from Nutty, saying "Oh, interesting."

And I don't have time to hunt down the specific posts and link to them, as I have to leave for work, but I know that I responded to your skepticism, Miracleman responded to it, Raq responded to it, and billytea responded to it.

At a minimum.

So right back at you too, Jess.

You know, I'm starting to think that at this point in our history, it might work better to focus discussion on just the specific proposal. It's when every single proposal turns into a broader referendum that people's feelings get hurt, IMO.

This is what I was trying to say above. Let's just debate the proposal. And if people have problems with the debating/voting process, they should bring it up in bureaucracy.

I'm with Jesse. I think there should be a proper discussion (not in this thread) about thread proliferation and other issues people have to see if there's a way of controlling it, but in terms of the proposal on the table - *I* feel when the discussion starts to get into bigger issues it loses focus and makes it hard to keep up. Although we'd really need to vote about changing the idea of Lightbulbs.

My impression is that a fair number of people popped up in the general conversation threads. But I didn't/don't participate in either thread, so I don't know how many new posters expanded their horizons and how many stuck to their original thread.

I am a part of the great Wonderfalls explosion.

Also, games totally have spoilers! SAMUS IS A GIRL, YOU GUYS. A GIRL!

I am a part of the great THE INSIDE explosion. Well, admittedly, only me and Jackal turned up for it I think. But still - Jackal's great.