For me it was boxed set systematically becoming the catchall thread for all the SF shows. I used to love to actually talk to people on the board about TV. Now I just don't. Bucket threads don't work for me. The love of bucket threads and cross pollination has cost me the ability to talk TV with some of my favorite folks. Yes I am bitter and sad about it and have been for years. I know that Boxed Set is the best thing ever for some. It is the worst thing ever for me. It totally altered my relationship to the board. So there you have it.
You have the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone.
Giles ,'Touched'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
NoiseDesign - Apr 20, 2008 1:16:14 pm PDT #8586 of 10289
Our wings are not tired
Cass - Apr 20, 2008 1:17:43 pm PDT #8587 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I didn't like it but I wasn't in the majority so I just went with it.And so did I.
It's why we have the process we do. We propose ideas, talk them over, vote and then abide by that. I like that we do this. I don't always fall on the winning side, but we talk and then the majority wins.
Part of that process, to me, is that when statements are made about the results of a previous decision and it's subjective effectiveness, that I disagree with, I want to make my opinion known.
Sean K - Apr 20, 2008 1:22:48 pm PDT #8588 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I don't have as much of a problem with the process as I do with why asking for new threads is unreasonable.
The process works (sort of), it's the reticence I understand very poorly.
Jon B. - Apr 20, 2008 1:35:51 pm PDT #8589 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
What is so different about the board now than compared to the golden age you all are talking about?
For me? The Golden Age was when it was on Table Talk and there were a lot fewer posts so that I actually had time to read all the posts in all the threads. As posting volume has increased, that's become impossible. It makes me sad, but I suppose it was inevitable and I deal with it.
Cass - Apr 20, 2008 1:38:10 pm PDT #8590 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I don't have as much of a problem with the process as I do with why asking for new threads is unreasonable.
The process works (sort of), it's the reticence I understand very poorly.That is the process, to me. Not that I would describe it as reticence but that is why we discuss proposals. The entire point is to talk about it, bring up questions, present answers, and then we vote.
I don't, honestly, see the need for a gaming thread so far. It seems like splintering the board in the hopes that it will lead to a dialog, instead of giving a conversation that exists a place of its own.
This splintering is not part of *my* ideal b.org. So, yeah, I am against this one. But, even though I will identify as antiproliferation, I have not voted against every thread proposed. There have been several times when the proposal made sense to me and I have voted in favor.
This is not one of those times for me.
Without people giving their views and asking questions, how is there any discussion in the process at all?
Jessica - Apr 20, 2008 1:38:35 pm PDT #8591 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
why asking for new threads is unreasonable
I think this is a needlessly inflammatory exaggeration.
That some people will question or disagree with the need for New Thread X hardly implies that the asking is considered "unreasonable."
In general, I think new threads, especially narrow topical ones, hurt the community - as Plei said earlier, each new topical thread is one more step towards becoming Table Talk (a platform for communities rather than A community), which I don't want us to be. And so I believe in carefully examining each new proposed thread on a case by case basis to determine what effect it will have on existing conversations. If I thought asking for new threads was unreasonable full stop, I wouldn't ever bother trying to have that conversation.
Sean K - Apr 20, 2008 2:44:02 pm PDT #8592 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Jess, it was very much not my intent to exaggerate or be inflammatory. I'm very sorry that's how it came across.
But I have no other words to describe it. If you have a better way to put it, let me know.
Sean K - Apr 20, 2008 2:51:22 pm PDT #8593 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I'm really just trying to help.
NoiseDesign - Apr 20, 2008 2:58:09 pm PDT #8594 of 10289
Our wings are not tired
Jess this is where it gets tough. For you the splintering ruins community. For me the lack of being able to choose particular areas to go and talk easily depending on my available time and current obession ruins community. Our two ideals for community seem to be in direct opposition to each other.
Cass - Apr 20, 2008 2:58:40 pm PDT #8595 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I don't think asking for a new thread is unreasonable. I also don't think having a discussion about how various board members feel about the upcoming vote is unreasonable.
I do think that just asking for a thread or a change doesn't automatically mean you get it without group discussion and it is unreasonable, knowing this group of people, to think that's going to happen.
We have a lot of different opinions and tend to express them. This makes me want to tear my hair out at times, of course, but it's also why I love us too.