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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Liese S. - Apr 16, 2003 5:59:36 am PDT #844 of 10289
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

If we're discussing warning text here, I did up a boilerplate back when and then we got caught up in worrying about admin font. Just to give options.

[Edited to add the text iffen you don't want to click.]

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Official Stompy Foot Warning Attn: <Problem User>

Hiya. It seems that you've violated our community etiquette standards, viewable here. We've tried to resolve it in the context of your posts, but it looks like a problem. Please consider this an official warning that your behavior is not acceptable in this community.

If you amend your behavior, and want to contribute positively to this enviornment, you are a welcome member of this community. However, if you continue to violate our standards or disrespect others, you will be suspended for two months. If you come back unreformed, you will be banned. Banning is rare, and very much a last resort.

To discuss your warning or your situation, please see the bureaucracy thread. Thank you, and we hope to resolve this problem.

<Insert specific info as necessary>

- Stompy Foot (Admin) Liese

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§ ita § - Apr 16, 2003 7:28:27 am PDT #845 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think it is clear what the steps are to move from a warning to suspension.

You mean "Consistent demon-like behavior may earn a warning from the Stompy Feet. If you don't listen to the warning, you will be suspended for two months. And if you come back unreformed, you will be banned. Banning is rare and very much a last resort." needs to be clarified?


Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 7:36:14 am PDT #846 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Proposal: Warnings will be in effect for 4 months. After four months, the offending poster's slate is wiped clean.

Perhaps we should spell out "After four months of good behavior the offending poster's slate is wiped clean."


amych - Apr 16, 2003 7:38:54 am PDT #847 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Perhaps we should spell out "After four months of good behavior the offending poster's slate is wiped clean."

But if they weren't behaving well during that time, wouldnt they have gone on to the suspension stage?


Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 7:46:02 am PDT #848 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But if they weren't behaving well during that time, wouldnt they have gone on to the suspension stage?

Oh, that's true. Probably not necessary, then.


Gandalfe - Apr 16, 2003 7:51:41 am PDT #849 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Oh, that's true. Probably not necessary, then.

Well, it doesn't hurt to have it in there, does it? I mean, it's only 17 characters, and I'd hate to see someone try to weasel out of it with that loophole.


Jesse - Apr 16, 2003 8:01:12 am PDT #850 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In light of recent events, I think after the initial warning procedure, it makes sense to have a common-sense next-steps plan. I mean, if there's any angst over giving the warning, but then the person, say, FREAKS OUT, we should be able to move to suspension more quickly, think.


§ ita § - Apr 16, 2003 8:03:22 am PDT #851 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How quickly is more quickly?

Technically, yesterday/this morning's behaviour followed procedure EXCEPT there was no allowance for clarification. Perhaps a loophole for "egregious disrespect to the community as a whole"?


Jessica - Apr 16, 2003 8:09:21 am PDT #852 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have a suggestion that people may or may not like, and it probably outside the bounds of this particular proposal. (If it is, I'll propose it in B'cy when the vote for this one is over.)

Currently, the steps are warn/suspend/ban. In the two cases we've had so far, banning followed very closely on the heels of suspension due to continued demonlike behavior. Because of this, I think we should change the steps to warn/warn/ban. We're under no obligation to paper train people to be good Buffistas, and if they can't cut it after two official warnings, I'm not gonna want 'em back in two months.

Thoughts?


Jesse - Apr 16, 2003 8:11:51 am PDT #853 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Technically, yesterday/this morning's behaviour followed procedure EXCEPT there was no allowance for clarification.

I was initially thinking that the suspension would need its own ten seconds.