List of things to create:

Transporter

Time Machine

Death Ray

Lightbulbs TiVo (see: Time Machine for possible cross-applications)

Cyborg Zombie Ninja Army of Doom

Sandwich Machine

ND and Bev, forgive me if this comes across as snarky, because I don't mean it that way: if this discussion, and the same old the arguments coming up, makes you weary and makes you sigh, then why are participating? You don't have to participate in something that clearly makes you unhappy.

Not Drew or Bev, but...

Because we don't think the threads we ask for are unreasonable, and we keep hoping that each time it won't be such a chore.

Let me ask you (and Nutty, and bon, and whoever else) a question: Why do you have to fight so vehemently every time? Why not just vote against it?

I know a lot of the anti-proliferationistas like to take the moral high ground, and claim "relentless logic" and accuse us (possibly even just me) of being overly emotional (which I probably am).

But you know, just the act of coming in here to be combative is a very provocative act, and that's never acknowledged. The anti-proliferationistas come in here and force us to fight tooth and nail to get a thread created, and yet we're supposed to take that with a smile or something.

That doesn't feel so good. Especially when it comes from people we otherwise consider friends. Actually it feels really crappy.

But we still don't think a gaming thread (or whatever) is too much to ask, when anywhere else this wouldn't be a problem.

Again, I do NOT want this board to become everywhere else.

I, at least, am not asking for at-will individual user thread creation. I'm not even asking for our process to change.

I'm just asking that, maybe even just once, we go through this process without a fight. Without the anti-proliferationistas coming in here and telling us how much we suck for even asking for a new thread.

Ever so grateful, MM.

Taken in the spirit, Tep, no worries.

I wasn't addressing the subject of this discussion so much as the fact that we re-visit the process every few months. I'm always tempted to just slump on the couch, drink my beer, eat my pork rinds, and blow the whole thing off, but I'm a part of this board, and it's something of a duty, if I have an opinion, to express it.

It always comes down to "I want to talk about left-handed widgets with the handful of people who're interested in left-handed widgets. The right-handed widgets people can make their own thread (let 'em get their own corpse, for those who were there)" vs. "Can't you find an eddy in a current stream to talk about this?" or even, "Dudes, share with the class."

I'm oversimplifying, and that's a disservice. Also, I've expressed my opinion, and will vote when it comes time. Y'all carry on. I'll just be over here on the couch with the remote and the Mountain Dew.

Without the anti-proliferationistas coming in here and telling us how much we suck for even asking for a new thread.

Sean, I really don't believe anyone here is saying you, or anyone else who wants a gaming thread (or a cooking thread, or a knitting thread, or whatever) SUCKS. Really, really not.

I think anti-proliferationism and "relentless logic" are coincidental. Also, I swear I am not a Vulcan. Just because I do not think that drama is a legitimate tactic in argumentation, that does not mean I have green blood.

Let me ask you (and Nutty, and bon, and whoever else) a question: Why do you have to fight so vehemently every time? Why not just vote against it?

Well, but ask yourself the same question. Why do you argue for it? Because you like to feel like you've had your say, and been heard, and if the will of the electorate is to tell you to go get stuffed this time, that doesn't mean it's true for all time. Why does Dennis Kucinich run for president?

If you're seriously asking people who disagree with you, "Why do you have to talk about the fact that we disagree?" then I think you might want to recall that these are the Buffistas. And then go get yourself a muffalletta.

If you're seriously under the impression that people who disagree with you are forcing you to fight tooth and nail, then I think you are being dramatic again, and that... well, to my swear-I'm-not-Vulcan eye, that feels icky and bothersome, like somebody saying, "My feelings are more important than yours because they are louder."

We all have feelings, and many of them are strong where new thread creation is involved. This is not news; this need not be controversial; this need not be angry or mean.

And then go get yourself a muffalletta.

With olives.

runs away

Also, I swear I am not a Vulcan.

Hey, wait a minute...didn't I see you at the Subek Kolinahr ceremony?

Yeah! You brought that awesome plomeek soup!

VULCAN! NUTTY'S A VULCAN!!

VULCAN! NUTTY'S A VULCAN!!

Nutty's made of vulcanised rubber, pass it on.

Bah! I am an elf. I can snap my fingers and all my clothing will iron itself!

Not Drew or Bev, but...

Because we don't think the threads we ask for are unreasonable, and we keep hoping that each time it won't be such a chore.

Let me ask you (and Nutty, and bon, and whoever else) a question: Why do you have to fight so vehemently every time? Why not just vote against it?

Sean, my post was neither pro nor con a gaming thread. I just asked why 2 people I care about are putting themselves in a situation that's rife with obvious frustration for them, when it's possible for them to avoid the frustration by avoiding this discussion.

I wasn't saying they *should* avoid it; just pointing out that there *is* a way to sidestep the frustration if they so desire.

Taken in the spirit, Tep, no worries.

Cool.

I wasn't addressing the subject of this discussion so much as the fact that we re-visit the process every few months.

I'm with you on that. For whatever reason, my frustration threshold seems to be higher these days, but I totally understand your frustration.

(let 'em get their own corpse, for those who were there)

::snerk::