It's so not a stretch (hi, connie) to imagine that Buffistas mightn't support anything en masse that I'm not sure why the people who want there to be no or truncated voting either don't think so or don't care.
Sure, connie would probably get outvoted. But I want her to have a chance to participate in our procedure and have her vote. Similarly for everyone who might not have the steel to speak up in the face of all this support.
In the end I think that we are important, and we should respect that, and the vote is part of it.
And not to discount our own importance, there's nothing this board does that would be an actual emergency. I mean seriously. It's not like we're voting to close down Gitmo or whatever.
It's not like we're voting to close down Gitmo or whatever
Seconded
(don't hit me, I know it's just a lovely dream, on top of being natter)
It's so not a stretch (hi, connie) to imagine that Buffistas mightn't support anything en masse that I'm not sure why the people who want there to be no or truncated voting either don't think so or don't care.
I feel like we're too entrenched in process, and get itchy when we're (to my mind) needlessly bureaucratic. It makes me sad that what is essentially a fairly joyful act has to be so orderly (i.e. a group largely made up of writers groupies has to vote whether or not to support the writers). That's my problem. connie's post moots my point.
I hope I'm now done editing that last post. Sheeesh, my typing sucks.
I thought we were going to put a "Fans support the writers" image next to (or maybe at the top of the sidebar - whatever's easiest for Jon) our logo, not replace the one we have now.
Oooh, oooh! What if it replaces the random quote generator in the upper right? 'Cause, y'know, we wouldn't have the quotes without the writers!
My problem with shortening the procedure is that it makes an assumption on unanimity and for me that feels like a dangerous assumption to make. Sure, in this case it may be true, but in the next it may not and this just feels like it is paving the way for bad procedure.
I've been working on a really good post that simply and clearly explains what I think is wrong with the precedent and slippery slope arguments that keep being raised. But since I'm not Cindy, I can't accomplish that, so I give you my half-baked effort instead:
I've seen a lot of Precedent and Slippery Slope arguments to bolster the proposition that we should not do something that may be right (truncate voting on the strike issue, or endorse the writer's strike), because something later might end up being done that is wrong (truncate voting on other issues, or endorse a more controversial position like a political candidate). The fallacy that presents itself in these arguments is the failure to assess the likelihood of the later thing actually happening.
Does endorsing the writer's strike bring us infinitesimally closer to endorsing a political candidate down the road? Yes. Is there any actual chance of this board endorsing a political candidate? Not in a million years. Not even if Tim Minear was running for president. Because our community possesses a level of communal common sense that makes that eventuality nearly impossible.
The slippery slope/precedent argument is impossible to counter because it is always going to be true, even if unlikely. To discount or ignore a likeliness analysis however undercuts the merits of the proposal.
A is right. A may bring us infinitesimally closer to B. B is wrong. Therefore A is wrong.
Or A is right. A may bring us infinitesimally closer to B.
B is never likely to occur.
B is wrong. Is A still wrong? No. And this is the logical fallacy.
Maybe this is tempting the devil, but I have yet to see any dissent to the writer's position in this strike. So if everyone supports them, and the only dissent is to the precedent of showing them support, aren't we falling prey to this logical fallacy?
Oooh, oooh! What if it replaces the random quote generator in the upper right? 'Cause, y'know, we wouldn't have the quotes without the writers!
I love this. And if for some reason the graphic needs to go elsewhere, we could replace the quote with something like: "When the WGA strike ends, there will be amusing quotes here, written by WGA members."
