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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


libkitty - Nov 11, 2007 3:28:07 pm PST #8118 of 10289
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

The main thing that concerns me about changing our procedure is actually that we have a strong consensus among those who have spoken up. It has been such a strong consensus that I can well imagine that anyone who disagrees might be hesitant to speak up. And while we are a group that tends to love writers, I could well understand that some might not think that supporting this one group is the best way to show it.

I'm glad the proposal was brought and I think it will pass handily, but changing procedures in this case seems like beyond slippery slope to me, more like a greased pole.


JenP - Nov 11, 2007 5:27:02 pm PST #8119 of 10289

BD, cheesebutt: [link]


-t - Nov 11, 2007 6:14:03 pm PST #8120 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Personally, I would hate to be excluded from the process even if I agreed with the outcome.


Kevin - Nov 11, 2007 10:04:52 pm PST #8121 of 10289
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

but changing procedures in this case seems like beyond slippery slope to me, more like a greased pole.

I'd have to agree. The likelyhood of a similar situation to this happening is pretty small, and I can't see how there would be any concensus on a quick fix voting procedure. You could argue there should be a way for a stompy to be able to make layout changes and have it voted on later, I suppose.


Jessica - Nov 12, 2007 5:11:05 am PST #8122 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Personally, I would hate to be excluded from the process even if I agreed with the outcome.

This, and feelings like it, are why we have the voting process in the first place.

In the ancient past, there was the Bullshit Consensus, and lo, when we wanted something to happen, we talked it to death and in the end the decisions that were made were made mostly based on who had the stamina to keep making their points after everyone else had given up and gone home. And we called it "consensus" and it mostly worked out.

Until, of course, some decisions were made that were less popular than the consensus-builders had been assuming, and people began to speak up about it, and words like "bullshit", "disenfranchised", and "cabal" were thrown around, and there was much unpleasantness and many hurt feelings and eventually we realized that we needed a system where everyone could have a voice and thus was born the Cheesebutt and its associated practices.


Allyson - Nov 12, 2007 5:26:46 am PST #8123 of 10289
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That.

And we are doing something immediately what with the collecting of funds and such.

I don't need a vote to ask Buffistas for donations for random acts of paypal. We don't put board fixes to a vote if things go wonky, we don't vote on thread titles (that's an example of bullshit consensus).


Jesse - Nov 12, 2007 5:29:43 am PST #8124 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And in this situation, there's nothing stopping anyone from saying, "I'm a Buffista, and I support this strike," or whatever. As individuals, we can still make a group statement. That's different from officially making a statement on behalf of the organization. Not that we're organized.


Wolfram - Nov 12, 2007 5:39:50 am PST #8125 of 10289
Visilurking

As individuals, we can still make a group statement.

No, we can't.


Jesse - Nov 12, 2007 5:41:21 am PST #8126 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I mean, it adds up to a group statement. Not a Group Statement.


Wolfram - Nov 12, 2007 6:23:43 am PST #8127 of 10289
Visilurking

I'm resigned to the necessity of this vote, if only because it makes most of y'all more comfortable with the statement.

I'd still like for there to be a procedure to truncate voting, but I'm not sure I'd be able to make the case for a hypothetical that would meet some urgency standard. The odd thing is, every entity I've ever been involved with or help set up, including a non-profit board on which I sit, contain provisions to shorten time for urgent matters. And every court system I practice in contains rules for emergency motions and shortening time. So to me, it's almost a defect in our current voting system that we don't have any such provisions.