maybe the vote should include a "doesn't matter either way" type of choice. I am curious how many don't care either way. Of course, if that gets the most votes, then what do we do?
Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.
'Shells'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
omnis_audis - Oct 28, 2007 12:01:19 am PDT #7954 of 10289
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir
Kevin - Oct 28, 2007 12:14:16 am PDT #7955 of 10289
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
I understand that some folks are attached to the thread and don't want it shelved, but I'm questioning is the use of language like "dying" and "killing" to describe the closing of a thread.
I think if I proposed closing the Buffy and Angel topics -- those shows are dead, Buffy comics go in Jossverse -- and got a few seconds and thirds to put it to voting, the board would go nuts. People arrived at this site for different reasons, and for some of those people it will have been Firefly. Mostly, it will have been Buffy and Angel.
Basically, it's an emotional reaction with Firefly. Which I'm absolutely sure you'd get with Buffy and Angel, too.
§ ita § - Oct 28, 2007 12:30:44 am PDT #7956 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
People arrived at this site for different reasons, and for some of those people it will have been Firefly.
People may have arrived for different reasons, but the board was created for only one: The Buffyverse. There's nothing to vote on there, no variant opinions to be considered. Future is one thing. Past is immutable.
DXMachina - Oct 28, 2007 3:07:59 am PDT #7957 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
If the thread is still being used and enjoyed by people, even if it isn't that many, why close it? I don't see a compelling reason to do it. If Firefly fit with Buffy and Angel, I could see folding it into that thread, but it doesn't.
When we've closed threads in the past, it was either with the approval of the folks who used the thread, or because we as a group thought reducing the number of threads would solve the system problems we were having at the time. Neither one of those seems to apply in this case.
Burrell - Oct 28, 2007 6:18:46 am PDT #7958 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
maybe the vote should include a "doesn't matter either way" type of choice.
That's the purpose behind including the No Preference option, isn't it?
Of course, if that gets the most votes, then what do we do?
Again, there's precedent here. Even if more people vote for No Preference than vote for either Yes or No, we go with the majority of Yeses or Noes.
lisah - Oct 28, 2007 6:53:37 am PDT #7959 of 10289
Punishingly Intricate
I don't remember now what the vote is going to be for. Is it for closing the thread or not opening a new one when the current thread reaches its end?
-t - Oct 28, 2007 7:09:00 am PDT #7960 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I think the wording of the proposal is:
I propose we close the dedicated Firefly thread and let conversation happen where it will.
Aimée "Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!" Oct 25, 2007 8:48:21 am PDT
Though I have been assuming that not opening a new thread is what we're talking about.
Dana - Oct 28, 2007 7:09:24 am PDT #7961 of 10289
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Aimee's latest proposal was to "close" the thread, but I'd suggest amending it to say "not opening a new thread when the current thread is finished."
But I'm with DX. When the community using a thread wants to keep it open, I don't see a pressing reason to close it.
Allyson - Oct 28, 2007 8:26:34 am PDT #7962 of 10289
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I realize how ridiculous this is, but I don't think the Firefly community will ever agree to closing the thread, even if it goes without posts for ten years. It's this weird "you can't take the sky from me!" mentality.
It's solely my elephant in the room. And maybe it's okay to open a new thread for the occassional fandom wank, but it doesn't seem (to me) like a good reason to open a new thread.
It seems like the thing keeping the thread moving for so long was a dead sock puppet, random rumors about sequels, and of course, news about crazy!fans.
If there was never a Firefly thread, would we open one just for those purposes?
dcp - Oct 28, 2007 9:01:24 am PDT #7963 of 10289
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
It seems like the thing keeping the thread moving for so long was a dead sock puppet, random rumors about sequels, and of course, news about crazy!fans.
If there was never a Firefly thread, would we open one just for those purposes?
If it were proposed and enough people voted for it, sure.
It seems to me that when Thread N reaches it 10,000 post limit, creation of Thread N+1 should be automatic.
To put it another way, I see the creation of Thread N+1 as a continuation of Thread N, and different from the opening of a new thread with a new topic for discussion.
Proposals to close a thread can be made, discussed, and put to a vote at any time.
Proposals to re-open an old thread or create any new thread can be made, discussed, and put to a vote at any time.
Is this a good time to close the Firefly thread? Possibly. I can see the arguments for both sides. But my own preference would be to see Firefly 5 created and then a vote to close the thread. Merely reaching the 10,000 post limit is not enough for me to vote to close the thread.