Has there been this much sturm&drang before when threads spin off?

Have you met us?

and maybe 2 weeks from now would be a better time to have this discussion, after we have all had a chance to chill and think a bit.

I don't have a problem with this if connie agrees with it, but I really don't see why anyone thinks the arguments will be any different in 2 weeks.

I could be wrong, but my take on this is that there are obviously 2 separate groups of people looking to talk tv. Most of the people that want a thread for it seem to be saying they won't/don't talk about it in Natter. Most of the people that currently talk about it in Natter seem to be saying they wouldn't talk about it in a separate thread. So, with the exception of what seems like a few people, how much converstion would really be being drawn from Natter to the thread? If there's this huge amount of people that want tv talk in Natter and wouldn't go to a separate thread, then wouldn't there be enough people to continue to sustain talk of it in Natter even if there was another thread?

And, for the record, I love Cindy to death.

I could be wrong, but my take on this is that there are obviously 2 separate groups of people looking to talk tv.

I've come to think that it's more than two groups (though less than ten, possibly even less than five), and the lines are not as bright as you might think.

If the lines between the groups were bright, I think this conversation wouldn't be quite so difficult.

I would think that if we table the discussion it should rest a while - like 'til after Labor Day.

I've come to think that it's more than two groups (though less than ten, possibly even less than five), and the lines are nto as bright as you might think.

I think you're right, and I think there's also a fair bit of "my group thinks X and Those Other People think Y" on both sides -- mostly inadvertently, and in the interest of trying to make larger points, but it tends to get everyone's backs up, whether they're not really thinking Y, or not really feeling correctly represented by X.

I'd support a longer and less thread-focused discussion after a bit of a doblerizing period. I think part of why this keeps coming up is that people never quite get to what they're trying to say, so it simmers and seethes until the next time -- but the next time, we again have 4 days and a lot of people saying, "can we please just focus on the proposal to make a Tour de France Watch-and-Post thread, please?"

I would think that if we table the discussion it should rest a while - like 'til after Labor Day.

Yeah, two weeks is nothing.

I don't have a problem with this if connie agrees with it, but I really don't see why anyone thinks the arguments will be any different in 2 weeks.

On one level, I don't, but I do think it might be calmer, less rushed, and better thought out if people have some breathing room.

eta: I picked two weeks at random. Longer might be good too, because then people would know more about the shows and the schedule etc.

I've come to think that it's more than two groups (though less than ten, possibly even less than five), and the lines are not as bright as you might think.

Oh, I agree with that. Once you throw the whitefont issue in the air, I think the groups splinter even more.

I just feel like we want a vote to be tabled because the people that don't want what is being voted for, are upset. But, the upset of the people that do want a new thread seems to be being disregarded, somehow.

I mean, isn't this what the voting procedure was established for? To find out what the majority of the board wants? And I say this having no real idea of whether this thread would pass or not.

But, the upset of the people that do want a new thread seems to be being disregarded, somehow.

Not at all, at least for me. I've tried to make that as clear as I can, and people with differing views about the threads (Hi SA sweetie) agreed with my suggestion. This is only to give us (all of us) some breathing room and time to reflect.

If it's a discussion of principles, then it is best to have a nice calming break before doing it, but that's unrelated to fall schedules and the like.

Whether or not this vote goes ahead, I think the discussion is worth having. If the vote goes ahead, we'll probably need more of a rest.

As for technical factors, since the upgrade we look okay response-time wise. There's still a pretty extensive back end redesign I'd like to do before the idea doesn't make the technical side of me flinch every time the topic comes up, though.