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Cindy - Apr 15, 2003 9:48:47 am PDT #744 of 10289
Nobody

Any limitations on how soon after an "offence" a complaint can be lodged?

I would say ... three days. That gives the problem a chance to be addressed in-thread, but doesn't allow things to drag on or butried bodies to be resurrected.
(edited to add the above context)

I am against the how soon limit suggestion of 3 days. Look how much damage we did in one weekend, by not addressing the most recent complaint.

I am aginst a how soon limit in general. I don't think it's a matter of time, I think it's a matter of taking all the steps. I'd rather rely on Buffistas being reasonable people. If someone pisses me off and I call them on it, I can discern between my call being ignored and the person taking a breather, and/or actually out there living his life.


Jessica - Apr 15, 2003 9:52:58 am PDT #745 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Since official action isn't taken until a pattern of disruptive behavior has been observed, I don't think having a time limit for how long after an offense has occured is appropriate.


Lyra Jane - Apr 15, 2003 9:55:00 am PDT #746 of 10289
Up with the sun

Cindy, I think we're reading the question differently. I meant that the offended party should have to bring the issue up in bureaucracy within 3 days, otherwise the comment in question disappears into the vast mists of time. The process of initiating a warning could be started as soon as it seems necessary.


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2003 9:59:11 am PDT #747 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think having a time limit for how long after an offense has occured is appropriate.

But that brings up the sort of stuff that happened in Kafka/Sartre, with that "remember how you pissed me off months ago?" thing.


Hil R. - Apr 15, 2003 10:01:39 am PDT #748 of 10289
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'd rather not have a time limit for when things can be brought up. Since warnings are for a pattern of behavior, not for a particular incident, it seems like there isn't an exact time when something can be counted from.


Jessica - Apr 15, 2003 10:03:22 am PDT #749 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But that brings up the sort of stuff that happened in Kafka/Sartre, with that "remember how you pissed me off months ago?" thing.

I guess I don't see how to institute a time limit when we need to demonstrate patterns of behavior.

[What Hil said.]


askye - Apr 15, 2003 10:04:05 am PDT #750 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

Also the way Deena has the proposal worded if there is a complaint made and there aren't enough people backing the complaint to justify the warning no more requests for warnings against that incident can be made. That incident can only be brought up as proof of prior behaviour.


Lyra Jane - Apr 15, 2003 10:05:28 am PDT #751 of 10289
Up with the sun

that brings up the sort of stuff that happened in Kafka/Sartre, with that "remember how you pissed me off months ago?" thing.

That's what I want to avoid as well. I think certainly things older than 3 days (or a week, or whatever) should be included in considering whether someone was having a bad day or has a consistant problem -- but I think warnings should be for specific, recent instances.

Allowing an indefinite window would also make it easier for someone to target a specific poster they disliked. While it's unlikely a warning would be issued in this situation, I'm not sure we want to have to waste time dissecting the pros and cons of issuing warnings on things said weeks or months ago.


Deena - Apr 15, 2003 10:07:38 am PDT #752 of 10289
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I'd rather not have a time limit for when things can be brought up. Since warnings are for a pattern of behavior, not for a particular incident, it seems like there isn't an exact time when something can be counted from.

I didn't think it was only patterns of behaviour, I thought it was also a particular incident. So, I thought I covered both bases, "this particular incident really upset me," or "all of these incidents, including this one before, for which no one registered a complaint (or there weren't 10 people ready to agree with me), upset me."


Jessica - Apr 15, 2003 10:08:09 am PDT #753 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think certainly things older than 3 days (or a week, or whatever) should be included in considering whether someone was having a bad day or has a consistant problem -- but I think warnings should be for specific, recent instances.

So if someone's catching up and sees a 4 day old post that they find unforgiveably offensive, they just have to grit their teeth and accept that nothing was done about it?

Three days seems too short to me. A week might be better.