Okay if we don't want to spin off SPN then how about spinning off the shows that are feeling edged out and leavng SPN in BS.

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But, isn't that in effect, the same thing? It's still moving the rest of the concert elsewhere.

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Damn, you saw through my ruse.

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I love SPN. I've been watching it since the first episode. I don't understand why it can't have it's own thread.

I am sumi. I should be sumi more often.

I know I'm tired right now, but this whole discussion makes me sad. I can't keep up in LJ, haven't gotten e-mail about it (haven't been around to ask), went in to boxed set to talk SPN and was spoiled for two other shows I like just as much. I was excited to see the proposal, but now my peeps are sad on both sides of the fence.

I don't know how to vote on this one anymore.

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I've been busy, so I haven't been by in a while, so please forgive me if I am going over old material.

But what about shows like SPN (and Heroes, and Smallville) that have more than 8 posts per week?

Heroes is lying pretty fallow these days. Probably about 8 posts a week. That's no surprise given that it's summer, but I just want to point out that even popular shows that generate a lot of discussion during the season don't necessarily generate enough discussion to warrant their own thread IMO. Which is kinda just me saying I agree with what bon bon says here:

But, IMO, the only single-show threads that have been successful for more than one season are threads for Jossverse shows. I don't think there's really a critical mass for other shows. But that's just, again, my impression.

Then again SPN is not Heroes, and so we can't assume that an SPN thread would fall quiet just because a Heroes thread has. In its favor, SPN generates a lot of discussion of fic, so it may well create more sustained discussion during reruns.

I have nothing to say about media fannishness.

I think a W&P thread has more potential to change board culture than any single show thread. The thought is making me shudder.

Oh good. I was skeered that people were serious.

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Oh good. I was skeered that people were serious.

I was! But seriously, I didn't mean for stuff actually on the air! I meant for, you know, scheduled viewing parties and crap! "The Buffistas Do Princess Bride!" and things like that!

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Wow. The thread consolidation problem comes full circle.

I thought the skip-to-the-end thing was a compromise, that worked pretty well.

Actually, I've seen enough people unhappy about various incarnations of "skip to the end" that to me it's one of the unspannable chasms between various parts of the board culture that have been rearing their ugly heads lately. Particularly when it comes to how we want to watch TV and post about it. There are a number of different groups that desire to post about TV in distinctly different (and mostly incompatible) ways. And though no one group has (i think) created a permanent majority, and all of them seem to get disappointed by vote outcomes, some of the groups don't ever seem to catch a break when it comes to getting the board to behave the way they want it to.

And actually, reading this discussion, it's become much clearer to me that a bunch of the weird loggerheads between disparate board parts that keep popping up are all directly tied to our board's curious history, and it's odd triple birth across various other boards, before rising up out of the ashes here.

All that being said, I really have no pony in this race. The Farscape thread ceased being what I liked when it was joined with Due South and Smallville, so I haven't been back, even to discuss BSG (which I would have liked to do). I'm not a SPN watcher, so I don't care if a new thread gets created or not.

And I think Kat might be on to something, as far as no longer including a "No Opinion" choice. I'm abstaining from the vote completely.

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Actually, I've seen enough people unhappy about various incarnations of "skip to the end" that to me it's one of the unspannable chasms between various parts of the board culture that have been rearing their ugly heads lately.

I'm not sure you mean what we mean by that, Sean. We've been putting in jump tags that let people skip our SPN W&Ps by skipping to the last post. As far as I know, that's the only time they've been used on the board.

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Actually, I've seen enough people unhappy about various incarnations of "skip to the end" that to me it's one of the unspannable chasms between various parts of the board culture that have been rearing their ugly heads lately.

I'm not sure you mean what we mean by that, Sean. We've been putting in jump tags that let people skip our SPN W&Ps by skipping to the last post. As far as I know, that's the only time they've been used on the board.

AHA! See? We were talking about completely seperate things!

I haven't been in Boxed Set in forever, so I had no idea this convention had been started. "Skip to the end" meant something completely different to me. I was associating it with the admonition I've seen often, particularly in regards to bucket vs. single show thread that those who only want to discuss one show included in a bucket thread should just scroll past or skip to the end, despite repeated protestations that doesn't work for them.

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I've been silent so far because I've given up on being able to post about TV here for awhile. After our last long conversation about bucket vs. no bucket (and I'm a big dork because I can't help thinking OH NOES, THEY BE STEALIN MAH BUKKIT! whenever we talk about this), I gave up. I accepted that because I can't keep up with all of the Boxed Set shows and yet really don't want to be spoiled for them, I couldn't talk about them here. Not saying that with resentment--will of the majority and all--it just is what it is.

But I'll say how I'm feeling right now just so that I'm not one of those snivelly people who whines about How Things Are but never speaks up when it counts. I'm not trying to stir up more trouble--like Deena said, the whole conversation makes me sad. I hope that those of you who feel strongly in the opposite direction know I care about you, and I believe that you care about me. This isn't personal, even though it's feeling a little right now (at least to me, and it seems a little to Deena too since none of us like to see our peeps sad).

For the record, I think SPN should have its own thread. But I think that every show that is "media-fannish" (if I'm understanding the definition) should have its own thread. I know, that's not how things are done here, and I get that it is an unpopular stance. It is how I feel, though, unpopular or not. I don't understand how having a separate thread could ever be exclusionary if everyone who wants to join can. I don't see why people can't post in multiple threads about multiple shows. I think we would find that more people actually start discussing TV on b.org if they didn't have to worry about being spoiled. I think that cross-pollination would still happen, i.e.

Wow, character X reminds me so much of character Y on Show Q--do you see it?

Totally.

I don't watch--is it good?

If you're liking this season of Show Z, you should definitely catch up with Show Q.

...etc. Only much more graceful and witty like Buffistas are.

Again, not sure if it's worth beating that dead horse any further. I get that people on the board have very strong, very opposing viewpoints on this subject, and I know that the chance of having many more single-show threads is not likely. But in terms of this particular show thread proposal, I guess what I'm wondering is this: Would the people feeling like SPN can't be removed from Boxed Set no longer post in Boxed Set if SPN is removed? Or would they have two conversations--one about SPN in that thread, and one about other Boxed Set shows? Isn't that what the board always did with Buffy and Angel? Because if the answer is the latter, then I think more single-show threads will definitely make more show-posting possible for more people. If the answer is the former, I guess I'm just confused. I understand wanting to talk about shows obsessively--hey, I'm here too--but I truly believe that our community is too strong and too vibrant to be splintered by something as simple as subscribing to a few more threads. I love the fact that we can talk babies in one thread and Cylons in another and vampires in yet one more without missing a beat. I truly believe we would continue to do so even if the SGs had one thread, BSG another, SPN a third, and so on. I would also love if the conversation didn't move so fast that I could come back to the thread when I have time to talk again a few days later and not have to sift through 200 comments about another show to find where the one I wanted to discuss left off.

Essentially, I’m just feeling like Deena is: overwhelmed. I can’t keep up with all of the conversations even when I’m on vacation, so I know that as the fall TV season starts alongside school, I’m going to be even more lost.

So. I really want to be able to post about the shows I am able to watch, so I will vote to create a new single-show thread whenever I can. But like I said, this is just how I feel about the situation. It's not personal--I just don't want to be complicit in my silence (for either side). For what it’s worth, (continued...)

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