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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Typo Boy - Apr 14, 2003 9:03:13 pm PDT #712 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The only reason I worry about someone being mobbed, is that boards can change really fast as people sign up. I would hate to see 10 people sign up and start giving warnings. I have seen boards invaded by groups of trolls, some of whom are not obvious - mostly I admit in usenet days. I would just like some sort of precaution in there - maybe a majority of stompies could have veto power if it seem really silly or obviously trollish or something. I just don't like any group of ten people being able to send a warning without nothing to stop. I don't think that is abstract. Or as I said, you have in addition to 10 "yes's" get more yes's than strong "nos". In this context a "I think you are overreacting" would not count as a strong no. A "no" would only be a "This is totally unfair." or "There is absolutely no justification". What harm in having some sort of precaution? I gather the stompies don't want the responsiblity of a veto power - so let's have something. Does not havet be either of my suggestions, but something.


askye - Apr 14, 2003 9:10:04 pm PDT #713 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

I only worry is if we do that we'll be stuck in this turmoil where someone won't feel comfortable giving any kind of warning, and it will bog down.

If we're really worried about 10 people railroading someone out I'd rather have harsh consequences for doing that than weakning the system to make complaints.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 10:07:54 pm PDT #714 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Okay, while lounging at Burrell's place, I had another thought. How do we know when something qualifies as one of the 10? I'm not being dense. I'm actually serious.

What gets my goat lots of the time are the comments like, "Well I find X annoying and irritiating, but I don't know if I think that warrants a warning."

Well, okay. But what are you saying. Warn? Not Warn?

The reason I bring it up is because I see people doing the Defense of Someone with the preface, "I don't like them either."


Hil R. - Apr 14, 2003 10:09:58 pm PDT #715 of 10289
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'd say that for something to count, it should have to be prefaced with something like, "Count this as one toward warning," or something like that.


bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 10:14:30 pm PDT #716 of 10289

What gets my goat lots of the time are the comments like, "Well I find X annoying and irritiating, but I don't know if I think that warrants a warning."

Well for me, I think my comment the other night would have qualified as an absention. Like, "I don't care enough to warn her but I don't mind if you do."


Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 10:17:04 pm PDT #717 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Well for me, I think my comment the other night would have qualified as an absention. Like, "I don't care enough to warn her but I don't mind if you do."

Me Too.


Kat - Apr 14, 2003 10:24:56 pm PDT #718 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Kat - Apr 14, 2003 10:25:57 pm PDT #719 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

The unclear pronoun that in my sentence above is referencing not the actual actions this time, but not thinking that being annoying warrants a warning.

Do stompies get a vote? Do they get to say, "Yes, I agree X should be warned"?

Will they feel comforable voting?


§ ita § - Apr 14, 2003 10:29:12 pm PDT #720 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Personally, I think it would have to be pretty egregious to warrant me stepping out and complaining, unless it was directed straight at me. And if it's that egregious, I'm sure 10 people will beat me to it anyway.

I'm pretty comfortable with being excluded from general (but not personal) complaint.


bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 10:31:30 pm PDT #721 of 10289

I think I'm confused. If you're asking if I feel that the simple act of being annoying deserves a warning, then no. Not for me anyway. I'm a pissy bitch. I get annoyed easily. Which is why I don't always feel like I'm the best person to contribute to a decision on whether or not someone should be warned/suspended/banned.

As for Stompies, I think that as long as they continue in their current role [unofficial caretakers but not mods] then yes, they should have a vote. I don't know how comfortable they would feel about it though.