I like the thought of a dedicated SPN thread. It's going into its third season, it's not like folks haven't had a chance to get exposed to it. Even if it moves out of Boxed Set and it was the only show I was actively watching in Boxed Set, I would still subscribe to BS because I have picked up new shows to watch just by doing that (Dresden Files and Blood Ties, for example.) I don't think Boxed Set loses anything by SPN moving out. But, if folks want SPN to stay, it won't affect my attitude towards either Boxed Set or SPN.

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As someone who hasn't been able to use boxed set in a long time I'm reallybin favor of getting a show out of there and into a separate thread. As I've said many times the bucket threads are a complete train wreck for me. The crosspollination idea doesn't work at all for me since I just end up going in and getting spoiled and then ignoring the thread.

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I'd be more likely to rejoin Boxed Set if SPN were separate, I think. Not because I don't feel it belongs there but just because it's more and more unwieldy if you're not a watcher. The flip side of that is that I've just bought the SPN season 1 DVDs, and I think I'd also find it easier to dive in to the discussion in a dedicated thread.

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Let me feel my way through this, have patience.

Part of SPN discussion (ETA: or discussion of any BS show that I watch) for me is certainly the sharing of squee and flail--which is, I believe, the primary element that's offputting for Boxed Set users who are not SPN fans. But when I use the term cross-pollination, I don't just mean discussing more than one show, and learning about shows I may not be watching currently, though that is a large part of it.

Part of cross-pollination, to me, is discussing shows *in relation to, and in comparison to or with, each other*. I think this is what Boxed Set is all about, the energy created by fans who watch *all* these types of genre show, and the spillover from one fandom to another. This is why, though I do perceive the signal to noise problem, I'm resistant to moving SPN into its own thread. It feels to me that a lot of that discussion energy would be lost, in both threads. And that feels like a real loss, to me.

EATA: I know there are posters (Hi, Drew!) who want separate threads for each show, so they can discuss what they've been able to watch, and not be spoiled or subjected to discussion on shows they haven't watched or won't watch. I can understand that impulse. But realistically, you're looking at eight posts per week in each of those threads, with the same four or five people posting, and never talking to anybody in any of the other threads. That's not a posting board, or a fannish community. I don't feel that experience is what b.org is or ever has been. Maybe that's where we're going, ultimately. But it doesn't sound like a lot of fun, to me.

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Also, I have to be away for a few hours, so I'm not posting and running--well, I am, but not because I'm a wussy little girl. I'll be back if anybody has stuff to discuss.

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ETA: Eh, you know what, never mind. I think SPN is clearly within the purview of Boxed Set, and if the SPN folks don't want their own thread, they shouldn't be shunted off into one.

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I don't really have a dog in this "fight", but I think it is worth having some discussion of a proposal upthread about 1-2 dozen posts:

What about a "watch & post" thread? Would that relieve some of the pressure from the Boxed Set thread?

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I was also wondering about a "watch and post" thread. The problem with W&Ps is that they often end up like this:

God, what was she thinking when she chose that dress.

Is that George Clooney?

Honey, put your boobs back in.

Is she wearing a curtain?

That's what Natter can look like during the Oscars, for example. The conversation is inexplicable to non-watchers and comments on other topics can get lost. The SPN watch-and-posters are having such a good time that I wonder if people might like to do them for other shows on DVD. You could have planned W&Ps of awards shows or the Indy 500. In addition, if a discussion in an existing thread was turning into a W&P, someone could say "Let's take this to W&P" just like you'd say "Let's take this to Bureacracy."

I'm not saying this as someone who is particularly bothered by W&Ps. I'm just wondering if there might be another approach.

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Well, call it a subtext. It's been around for a long time -- the reason we came up with the named "Boxed Set" was because that was the era of cult (read: fannish) TV shows suddenly getting put out on DVD [...] It's also the reason we always knew there would be thread-drift [...] since media fandom is a flighty thing, and if not polyamorous then definitely serially monogamous.

Thanks for explaining, Nutty. I still don't get it, but that's not your fault. I guess I don't get it, because I think we're inclined to treat most of our shows in a media fannish fashion.

Here's some more thread analysis of Boxed Set, from back when Heroes was still there. It's only one week's worth, during February Sweeps, starting with the first post on Wednesday, February 7, and ending with the last post Tuesday, February 13, 2007.

That's 339 posts (inclusive - that is start counting with post 6336 as #1, and finish counting with 6674 as #339 -- you dig?), during one week of February sweeps.

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15 posts 6336 - 6350: SGA/SG-1

subtotal: 15

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6 posts 6351 - 6356: Star Trek

subtotal: 6

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1 posts 6423: Blood Ties

1 post 6428: Blood Ties

subtotal: 2

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7 posts 6357 - 6363: BSG

1 post 6446: BSG

1 post 6469: BSG

8 posts 6471 - 6478: BSG

2 posts 6480 - 6481: BSG

5 posts 6486 - 6490: BSG

2 posts 6493 - 6494: BSG

1 post 6497: BSG

2 posts 6512 - 6513: BSG

1 post 6611: BSG

1 post 6615: BSG

2 posts 6665 - 6666: BSG

1 post 6668: BSG

subtotal: 34

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2 posts 6467 - 6468: Fire Serpent

1 post 6470: Fire Serpent

subtotal: 3

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1 post 6431: Dresden Files

14 posts 6453 - 6466: Dresden Files

3 posts 6483 - 6485: Dresden Files

5 posts 6507 - 6511: Dresden Files

9 posts 6519 - 6527: Dresden Files

2 posts 6530 - 6531: Dresden Files

2 posts 6533 - 6534: Dresden Files

1 post 6570: Dresden Files

1 post 6573: Dresden Files

1 post 6577: Dresden Files

1 post 6584: Dresden Files

1 post 6610: Dresden Files

1 post 6643: Dresden Files

1 post 6645: Dresden Files

2 posts 6670 - 6671: Dresden Files

2 post 6673 - 6674: Dresden Files

subtotal: 47

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59 posts 6364 - 6422: Supernatural

4 posts 6424 - 6427: Supernatural

2 posts 6429 - 6430: Supernatural

14 posts 6432 - 6445: Supernatural

6 posts 6447 - 6452: Supernatural

1 post 6479: Supernatural

1 post 6482: Supernatural

2 posts 6491 - 6492: Supernatural

2 posts 6495 - 6496: Supernatural

9 posts 6498 - 6506: Supernatural

5 posts 6514 - 6518: Supernatural

1 post 6575: Supernatural

1 post 6604: Supernatural

2 posts 6616 - 6617: Supernatural

3 posts 6619 - 6621: Supernatural

2 posts 6629 - 6630: Supernatural

10 posts 6633 - 6642: Supernatural

1 post 6644: Supernatural

3 posts 6646 - 6648: Supernatural

3 posts 6650 - 6652: Supernatural

1 post 6664: Supernatural

subtotal: 132

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2 post 6528 - 6529: Heroes

1 post 6532: Heroes

35 posts 6535 - 6569: Heroes

2 post 6571 - 6572: Heroes

1 post 6574: Heroes

1 post 6576: Heroes

6 posts 6578 - 6583: Heroes

19 posts 6585 - 6603: Heroes

5 posts 6605 - 6609: Heroes

3 posts 6612 - 6614: Heroes

1 post 6618: Heroes

7 posts 6622 - 6628: Heroes

2 posts 6631 - 6632: Heroes

1 post 6649: Heroes

11 posts 6653 - 6663: Heroes

1 post 6667: Heroes

post 6669: Heroes

1 post 6672: Heroes

subtotal: 100

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And yes, of course I'm procrastinating about doing something else I should be doing. Also, my neck hurts and I need a sammich.

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