I didn\'t notice a counting offer. If not I can do it. Profile is good.

Thanks Laura. ita -- can you update votes@...?

Someone asked when we opened the Lost and VM threads. The shows started in the same year, but the threads did not.

Lost 1 opened in October, e 2004. Lost 2 opened in November, 2005.

VM 1 opened in August, e 2005.

I have no clue what's up with the stray Es in that post.

I don't have any great objection to Boxed Set remaining as it is —I don't find it problematic to skim over discussions of shows I don't watch, and the only program I want to avoid spoilers for is in Premium. But if the threads of simultaneous discussion for several popular shows are reaching some sort of critical mass where they're interfering with each other for a sizeable group of people, Heroes currently seems like the best candidate for spinning off into its own thread. It strikes me as having similar discussion volume to Lost in its first season, and I wouldn't characterize the creation of that thread as a failure even if I would the show itself.

Votes@ has been redirected.

While I've gone back and forth about prolif and antiprolif since the move to the Phoenix, I really am inclined to have some kind of sub-grouping for shows. I know we've moved back in the direction of Heroes yay or nay now, but I really appreciate the discussion that's been had about shows and how to best serve the community talking about them.

For me, I watch almost everything. The Stargates, Dresden, Torchwood, Dr Who, VMars, Heroes, SPN, BSG, The Office, Friday Night Lights, House, Grey's, probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. About the only think I don't watch is Eureka, and that was kind of an accident. Having some kind of generalised grouping, a la what Hec was doing about a hundred posts ago, makes the most sense for me because as it stands, I inevitably miss the discussion of one of these many shows due either to the time difference of being in the UK or my delay in aheming/watching the shows. By the time I get around to watching, say, BSG, discussion has already naturally moved on to whatever new show was on. I get that, and I certainly don't think my difficulties in participating in discussion should form the direction these threads go in. But the frustration is still there, because it feels like I never/rarely get to talk about the shows everyone else is talking about. I usually just get to read.

Similarly, the shows that get discussed in natter--Grey's, House, The Office, probably FNL though I am not certain--are things I never get to talk about here at the b.org, because of most of the same reasons as the above paragraph, only at warp speed. The time delay in aheming, watching, and then coming back to natter means that by the time I have watched any of these shows, we're already talking about whether plastic or steel rulers are better for measuring ferrets. Again, this isn't a bad thing--it obviously works for the people who are discussing it right now. But I think it's worth noting that for me, who's just as into American television as all of you, living in another country that is off-time with when you all watch these shows, it's impossible--or at least very difficult--for me to engage in discussion with you all about them. And I want to, because, well. Obvious reasons.

This is not me asking for a general tv thread. We've been down that road, there are compelling reasons not to do it, and I'm okay with that. But given the ideas of mediafannishness raised in this discussion so far, I do think it is worth noting that shows that do have that mediafannishness--House, FNL, The Office, Grey's--could potentially be discussed in a way that is accessible to people who either don't do Natter, or for situations not unlike mine can't participate in Natter discussion. I know there are problems with defining what "mediafannish" constitutes, and there is no currently good benchmark for linking the four shows I'm using as examples. But since this is a problem I personally have been having with television discussion here for, well, the entire time I was in college and now living abroad, I figured I might as well lay it out. I don't expect anything to come from this, as I'm in a unique situation. But, you know, ce la vie.

Would it be appropriate for me to make a mention in Boxed Set itself that we're now considering breaking out Heroes for its own thread. It's possible that some of the regulars there might have missed that there's a discussion afoot.

I've bookmarked the end of the last discussion, so that I can crib the formal Vote resolution, so I will be ready to post it tomorrow.

(This is the first time I've ever been the proposer of a Vote here (or anywhere else) so I'm just slightly terrified of doing it All Wrong.)

Theo, yes, I'd mention the discussion in Boxed Set.

From waaaaay back:

Frankly, I think that if any show should get it's own thread, it's BSG. Perhaps I only "notice" the number of posts because I don't watch it, while I do watch and want to read about Heroes.

It strikes me that it might be a good exercise to take a poll of which shows Buffistas actually watch, because it's entirely possible that a few vocal fans of one show are discouraging people from talking about another.

Mind, out of the shows actively being discussed on the board, I only actively watch Heroes and Veronica Mars, although I'm catching up on Dr. Who and Smallville.

Heh, Victor, I was thinking as I've been reading along that I'd love to see a poll about who's watching what and how they'd prefer to talk about it - mostly just out of my own curiosity, really, not necessarily as any kind of deciding tool. Then I was afraid someone would make me set it up, so I... just kept reading.

Boxed Set works for me the way it is, and I like it the way it is, so I know that colors my opinions, though I'm not still not entirely sure what they are. t /unhelpful