Going back to one of Nutty's posts:

Reasons for wanting a Heroes thread:

# It's not mediafannish like the other Boxed Set shows

# It overwhelms the thread for people who don't watch it

# There are spoiler issues for people who're up to speed on that and not the other BS shows

# The discussion is hampered by being in BS

Just to put the record straight, I'm pretty sure I've cited #s 1, 2, 4, although not in those words, exactly, in my original proposal. I hadn't even considered #3, but it's a valid point indeed.

In fact, I do think that it's both media-fannish AND more general-purpose fannish, much like Buffy et alia in their heyday. I think the show has a breakout broad appeal for our community (not that I want us to become known as Heroistas) and thus my moment of epiphany the other morning, that the show has hit enough momentum that it would best be served in its own thread.

Going back to one of Nutty's posts:

That's not Nutty. That's me.

Theo--what differentiates Heroes from SPN or Eureka in your mind? Do they warrant threads of their own too? If not, why?

Because that's what I'm missing--you take out one show because it's high traffic and has momentum, why not take all of them out? And then you're left with...well, no traffic and no momentum. If just one, why Heroes? I'd propose that Eureka is also general-purpose fannish, just judging by watching Colin at the West LA Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. It's not your typical Sci Fi Channel crowd.

For me, Eureka is different because the seasons (the one that's aired and the one coming up) are much shorter. A Eureka thread would slow to a trickle for much longer periods than a Heroes thread would.

Didn't Nutty's numbers imply this wasn't so?

Probably in crosspost...

We've got Nutty's count now. Which suggests NonDominance. Possibly even Parity with a side of Scheduling Gridlock.

You're fucking with my synergy. Don't make me cut you.

Pfft. Dude, I could take you out with a bag of microwave popcorn at this point. Do you have a krav defense against microwave popcorn yet?

::hides existence of nose plugs and air filtration masks from ita::

For me, Eureka is different because the seasons (the one that's aired and the one coming up) are much shorter.

I have no idea of the general appeal of Supernatural--is it different for you too?

For me, Eureka is different because the seasons (the one that's aired and the one coming up) are much shorter. A Eureka thread would slow to a trickle for much longer periods than a Heroes thread would.

With Sci-Fi's crazy scheduling, though, almost all of their shows are like that. The Stargates have been on hiatus since September or October and aren't coming back until April. Dr. Who and Torchwood only have 13-ep seasons anyway, and BSG will also be 13 eps next season, I think.

And "next" season won't start 'til January.

I kind of feel like 4 or 5 episodes before the end of the first season is the wrong time to start a show thread.

With Sci-Fi's crazy scheduling, though, almost all of their shows are like that.

We have no thread dedicated to a single Sci-Fi channel show. I'd say the same about any show like that. What's your point?

I have no idea of the general appeal of Supernatural--is it different for you too?

I don't watch Supernatural.

Actually, I do think that Supernatural and Eureka could definitely justify/sustain their own threads... but that's not the battle I've chosen to fight. The first is a harder sell than Heroes (IMHO) especially as it's not as close to the historial genre focus of this community. (If we were the X-Fileistas, it would be.) The latter is on an extended hiatus (until sometime, hopefully, this summer?) so I don't see being able to drum up enough enthusiasm to get a vote won.

What I see differently about Heroes is the broadness of its appeal, to a very wide swathe of Buffistas, so that it gets easier to maintain a conversation about and ties our common experience together in a pretty genre bow.

Having a show in its own thread makes it much easier for a historical retrospective, by members who have held back because they for some reason weren't following the show as it was broadcast -- I know that from going back over watch-n-posts in other shows.

As for when to start having a thread about a show -- well, it would have been damn premature to start a thread about a show of semi-unknown provenance (i.e. no Whedonverse or Whedon-adjacent creators). Wonderfalls, other Minearesque projects, for sure -- but I was barely whelmed by the Heroes pilot. It takes a while for a show like this one to show its virtues off when so much depends upon sustainable worldbuilding and plotting.

FWIW, did the Veronica Mars thread start with the first show?

(Also, did we ever have a Joan of Arcadia thread?)