I really don't understand what you're looking for

Someone who went and counted and has numbers that support the "Heroes overwhelms" position. If it is indeed a per episode or per week thing--see above for other interpretations of overwhelm.

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I get what you were taking it from, I just want to make sure that what was meant as a riff on (a) the natural peanut butter debate earlier in the day and (b) the trope of the the kids needing to get offa someone's lawn isn't taken as a vote. I solemnly swear not to smallfont in serious places ever again.

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Somewhere there after Kristin, Maria (and someone before them) talked about having to skip around in BS, to avoid being spoiled for Heroes, which she can't watch now, but will watch eventually.

Actually, I can't go into BS at all. Even if I try to avoid looking at the Heroes discussion I am inevitably spolied, so I stay away completely. The fact that I don't have time to keep up with everything as it is released is why I will probably never be able to be part of the Boxed Set crowd, which bums me out but is what it is.

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Dominating in a total post count vs. dominating in a post/episode count is also a different thing, and nothing *I* see as a reason for splitting off.

Though I appreciate empirical evidence over guessing trends, I don't know if that's a necessary standard for this argument.

The desire for a Heroes thread, or even the impression that it swamps discussion, or the real anecdote from La Pixie that she cannot enter Box Set are all persuasive to me.

Though I'm still convinced that grouping shows does a better job of maintaining thread vitality than single thread shows.

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Though I'm still convinced that grouping shows does a better job of maintaining thread vitality than single thread shows.

I am too, but I'm not sure any of the proposed regroupings will enhance our current experience. I'm glad Theo is leaning back toward her original proposal. It's straight forward -- do enough of us want a Heroes thread enough to vote for it -- yes or no answers are all that's required, and no re-inventing of the wheel.

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Vonnie and I would make eyes at each other*

What? Aren't we already? You mean I misinterpreted all those meaningful glances when we were in the romantic Tuscany together? Woe!

this may be because my definition of fannish has always been more like KateP's meta-heavy researchy obsessiveness than Nutty and Vonnie's squee-based definition, and I'm feeling a little defensive about how I can too identify that way even if I'm not into the pretty adolescent boys.

Oh, I'm sorry about that. Mostly, I was referring to "mediafannishness" in the historic context that I cobbled haphazardly from various sources. I don't even know if it's an accurate definition. To be frank, I find myself wanting to move away from mostly squee-based fannish interactions nowadays as I get older and more crochety.

Now, away from meta and back to the specifics: I like where Heroes is just fine -- I think we have reasonably lively discussion, and while the number of posts has gone up, I don't find it too overwhelming (but this may be perceived differently by people who don't watch the show.) I think the show has *potential* to grow into one of the main Buffistas shows though, if they maintain the current level of quality. Better reason, IMO, to have it separate is if there is a critical number of people outside BS thread who wants to discuss the show but can't go into the thread for fear of spoilage for other shows.

I'm not in favour of major structural reorganization though. If we divide it up into Sci-Fi channel vs. no Sci-Fi channel threads, then it means Due South and Smallville would have to go somewhere else than BS, and that feels... weird, since those were grandfathered in from the start. I like the simple notion of vote: 1) yay, new Heroes thread, vs. 2) no, keep it where it is.

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Better reason, IMO, to have it separate is if there is a critical number of people outside BS thread who wants to discuss the show but can't go into the thread for fear of spoilage for other shows.

This.

It may be only a stop-gap, but, as fast as the world is changing, I definitely see the point about sourcing being a problematic criteria.

I am firmly against creating a thread for shows not currently under the BS heading (and I say this as a big House fan--in the fannish sense of fan)

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I am firmly against creating a thread for shows not currently under the BS heading (and I say this as a big House fan--in the fannish sense of fan)

How come?

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Some hard numbers, based on threadsuck and scrolly wheel:

(I suspect one reason Eureka has not pinged as "too busy" is that it aired thus far during a fallow period for other Boxed-Set appropriate shows. No competition, you know? That was by design on Sci Fi, but we can't count on that continuing.)

First mention of Heroes, Sumi describing schedule, #985, Sept 5, 2006

A discussion/W&P of Eureka begins 5 posts later (with Colin involvement), petering out into Plei's scary fascination with Kissinger and other topics about 1135. So, say 150 posts over 2 days, with low-grade posting continuing after that, mostly in Eureka but also news of other shows, a bit of SGA chatting durign an episode, etc. The following week's Eureka episode begins in #1263. So, that's shy of 300 posts in a week, more than half of them oriented towards Eureka (and spurred in part by Colin).

The above is about the speed I am long used to, from Boxed Set. Talk, but not that much talk.

Another sample of episode-related posting: Heroes airs beginning (Nov. 13) #3579, begins to slow around 3677 two days later (total 100 posts), but continues spottily in the middle of almost every other show being new/aired that week: there is Who, Torchwood, Supernatural, etc. The next Heroes episode (i.e., passage of 1 week) begins at 3846, i.e. less than 300 posts in a week.

Supernatural watching-week: Jan 18, 2007: begins at 5456, then there's BSG and Dresden Files talk; Heroes talk starts at 5600. The following Supernatural episode begins at 5757. The following Heores begins 5887. So: a week including Supernatural (and other shows) = 301 posts. A week including Heroes (and the same other shows) = 287 posts.

THis was only 6 weeks ago; shall I keep looking for comparisons?

Looks to me like the problem, numbers-wise, is the fact all these shows air at the same time. They do not empirically raise the number of posts per week by themselves, but they do make the thread feel more active.

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It seems like not a natural outgrowth of the proposal, and doesn't deal with the same problems, but, rather, in service of a Unified Theory of Television. Basically, I don't find discussion of those shows to be broken. And it's a significant (in my book) step toward General TV, which I am not a fan of.

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