You walk in a Deadwood fan, and you walk out with a Wire box set.

And those premium cocksuckers are premium-pricey, damn it!

I'm not sure what buckets to use though.

Yeah, this is still the problem. We can't go on with the one big lump, because it's clear that people are really having problems with the volume, and ultimately giving up on discussing the stuff that they want to discuss. And (I think I'm repeating myself here) I really don't like single-show threads. Cross-pollenation GOOD.

Honestly, I'm not super-attached to a broadcast-cable split, but it seemed like one way to poke at some of those problems without spawning a squillion threads. If that is the way people want to go, they still shouldn't be general TV threads -- but honestly, I don't think there's that much danger of that. As Burrell noted back at the utterly non-guacamole-laden start of it all, she felt like Heroes was the kind of thing that Buffistas were obviously going to be discussing somewhere. Those are the shows that end up in son-of-boxed-set pretty much on their own, and worrying about is-this-genre or is-this-mediafannish, or whose definitions of those things are we even using, have been small flares in a long history of "Hey, shiny new Dresden Files series! It's off to BS we go!"

Vonnie, do you think The Office is media fannish, or does it fail to be, because there's no world building at all?

Hmmm, sort of? I didn't see a big cross-pollination with the traditional slash community, which is understandable (I mean, Michael/Ryan is practical canon, but not the... erm, kind of ship that'd generate a loyal following and spew, like, a George Foreman Grill fetish, etc.), but there is a big representation in TO fandom by Veronica Mars fans, not to mention old X-Files fans coming out of woodwork. It's not too surprising since there is a big central pairing that's powered by UST and emotional engagement/squee aspect a-plenty -- it just draws the het part of the fandom (or the omni-preferential ones *waves to Dana*) rather than the slash contingent.

One of the reasons Premium worked was because there was crossover interest between shows and because there was a clear line between cable haves and have nots. It had both elements that we're considering.

(Those elements being: (1) split by cable access; (2) group by common interest - fannish or sci-fi or prevalence of leather pants.)

How about this - we list all the shows that are getting discussion (that don't currently have their own thread) and see if there are some obvious ways to group them?

Heroes
Supernatural
Battlestar Galactica
Smallville
The Dresden Files
The Office

What else? Friday Night Lights? House?

If you make a cable/broadcast split, people are still going to have issues. If I am watching SPN on DVD and Heroes on TV, I'm still fucked.

I like Boxed Set. It's the closest thing I can imagine to a general TV thread that even slightly works. The cross-pollination is a thing of beauty, and I adore it. I have at times stayed out of the thread because I was behind, or read with one eye closed because I really wanted to get to discussion of one show without having caught up on another.

I'm okay with that. Truth is, unless I'm fired up about a show, a dedicated thread is just so much more reading for me. So I tend to skip it, or read it once every few days. But if it's right there in front of me, I get engaged more, exposed to other ideas and viewpoints, and usually end up liking the show more.

Eureka
the Stargates
Dr. Who
Torchwood

people are still going to have issues

I'm not looking for a perfect solution - just a better one. I think there's general agreeement, even among the anti-proliferistas, that Heroes is dominating Box Set and when one show does that we tend to make some room.

I'm liking the idea of joint threads over single-show threads. Ultimately, though, Theo can phrase the ballot question anyway she likes.

Bottom line for me is not whether people have issues, but whether the thread set-up generates interesting discussion.

And everything on DX's list except for Torchwood is about to come back from hiatus. For variable values of "about to".

So, I'm going to pitch some taxomony and see if its bunchable.

Heroes - Genre, Not Mediafanish, Broadcast
Supernatural - Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
Battlestar Galactica - Genre, Mediafanish, SciFi Channel, Basic Cable
Smallville - Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
The Dresden Files - Genre, Not Mediafanish, SciFi Channel, Basic Cable
The Office - Not Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
Friday Night Lights - Not Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
House - Not Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
Grey's Anatomy - Not Genre, Mediafanish, Broadcast
Torchwood - Genre, Mediafanish, Sci-Fi Channel, Basic Cable
Dr. Who - Genre, Mediafanish, Sci-Fi Channel, Basic Cable
Torchwood - Genre, Mediafanish?, Sci-Fi Channel, Basic Cable
Eureka - Genre, not sure of its media fandom status or where it airs.
Stargate - Genre, Mediafanish, Sci-Fi Channel, Basic Cable
Stargate: Aquarium - Genre, Mediafanish, Sci-Fi Channel, Basic Cable

Help? Because those seem to clump into several obvious groups to me. Show me where I'm wrong.

I like Boxed Set. It's the closest thing I can imagine to a general TV thread that even slightly works. The cross-pollination is a thing of beauty, and I adore it.

ita = me.