Nutty has spicy brains.

framework that allows for some separation of show discussion while at the same time limiting the possibility of thread proliferation.

Part of me likes this idea, but... first off, I know that I would just come into the Fox thread blabbling about House every week, which is not genre. (Since we are dealing with the shows that fall into the "genre" category, I was extending that to the hypothetical new threads.)

I think having a network-related thread (that isn't whitefonted) will cause issues, because everyone will have some show that they didn't watch yet that week that people will be talking about. And if we're talking about incorporating whitefont, then we don't need to worry about Boxed Set, it will just become a field of snow.

I've gotta say I've had the same issues with not going into Boxed Set so I'm not spoiled. I think tagging would be excellent if we can implement it... if nothing else, we start every post with the name of the show, and then people can skip posts. (Too thread-nannying, though?)

I don't know that splitting to network/cable would lighten the load that much. Heroes (which is what started this) would end up in the same thread as Supernatural, which is also post-heavy (at least recently). Would that really fix a problem that something like tagging posts wouldn't?

On the server load table size tech issue thing. Just for clarity in my mind, are we fine with speed and server load because of the shiny dedicated server, but there is concern over the size of the table(s)?

Tagging posts might not be needed all the time. When a watch n post is happening it wouldn't make sense. But if I had a brilliant theory or a question about BSG in the middle of a flurry of Heroes posts I would tag BSG so it would pop out to those fans. Also, using tags when a post covers 3 shows is helpful.

When discussing the hottitude of the various Jacks, tags not needed.

I worry that Boxed Set is understood as more than one thing to many people. For me, I regard it as a media-fandom thread, where people talk about the shows they watch in a particularly cultural way. That's why, e.g., Spooks conversation pops up in there often, despite Spooks not being a science-fiction-y show. It's a mediafannish show. To my mind, Boxed Set and the Fanfiction thread are basically two aspects of the same thing: and that thing is not "What's on the Sci Fi Channel" except incidentally.

Am I imagining that non scifi/spec-fic show discussion has been frowned upon in Boxed Set? (I might be.) I don't know Spooks or its premise, but it seems to me when the discussion has veered toward a "regular" show, we've been redirected to make sure it doesn't become a de facto general TV thread, and media-fannishness was never mentioned as the criteria (openly enough for me to discern it) anyhow.

ita, specifically, I have a (quite) dim memory of you frowning on a conversation about a non "genre" show (in the way we use "genre" when talking about Boxed Set). It's really dim. I can't remember what discussion you frowned upon, or anything. Am I mistaken? (I may well be).

I stepped in the guac a bit over mentioning something non-genre in Boxed Set, as I recall.

Those of us who like to put our feet in our mouths find guac is quite tasty on toes, Ailleann.

I think tagging would be way more difficult than is practicable. And putting in some kind of auto-tag facility would be a whole bunch of reprogramming.

Vonnie is enticing me back to my original suggestion, and why Heroes stands out as a show that could amply sustain its own thread. It has a significantly wider appeal than just the mediafan!Buffistas, plus enough plotting, characters, world-building, supplementary materials (web comics, for one!) whose discussion would be enhanced by a dedicated thread.

I'm still following VM and Lost both, so while I'm not in love with closing those threads down, I could see swapping Lost chatter into BS and spawning a Heroes thread instead. VM I don't see as foldable, but it will take a miracle for it to be renewed, frankly, so I have a feeling that the thread will reach its natural conclusion soon enough.

Up above, who gave us a list of the media threads we've added through the last few years? That's very helpful -- it's not a pell mell addition process, is it?

What's the difference between mediafannishness and liking a show enough to talk about it?

I'm honestly confused by the division.

Vonnie is enticing me back to my original suggestion, and why Heroes stands out as a show that could amply sustain its own thread. It has a significantly wider appeal than just the mediafan!Buffistas, plus enough plotting, characters, world-building, supplementary materials (web comics, for one!) whose discussion would be enhanced by a dedicated thread.

I'm still following VM and Lost both, so while I'm not in love with closing those threads down, I could see swapping Lost chatter into BS and spawning a Heroes thread instead. VM I don't see as foldable, but it will take a miracle for it to be renewed, frankly, so I have a feeling that the thread will reach its natural conclusion soon enough.

I think this very much sums up how I feel, Theodosia.

I won't die if we don't get the Heroes thread, but I would prefer having one, over continuing on in Boxed Set. I'm not sure it feels right in Boxed Set, and the conversation is pretty active.

We don't have VIPs for Heroes (and honestly, they've already got their own sites where they post, so I can't see us getting them), so I really don't think we'll add a whole lot of new posters just by opening a thread. We didn't add new posters when we opened the VM or Lost threads. Our TV threads aren't even on the main page any more, so I'm not sure they're even Googleable. We got an influx of posters with Firefly and Wonderfalls because of our Mutant Enemy Associations. I don't even think we got many newbies people with "The Inside" -- did we?

I'd be interested to read other people's definitions of "mediafannish" as well. What Nutty was saying about the mediafannish character of Boxed Set makes sense to me, and I think it's an important consideration to bring up, but I might be defining "mediafannish" differently than other people. In particular, Vonnie mentioned that Heroes struck her as a non-mediafannish show -- or, at least, that the way we discuss it here is less mediafannish in nature than many of the other convos in Boxed Set -- while I actually think of Heroes as being fairly mediafannish myself, esp. with the webcomics and all. Then again, that may just be how I engage with it, and other people may not feel the same way about it.

Anyway, my own definition of "mediafannish" involves liking a show enough to not just want to talk about it, but to want to explore that universe in other ways, such as the webcomic (or the Supernatural comic coming out in a few months), fanfic, vids, extensive discussion of the show's mythology, mapping the characters onto archetypes, that kind of thing. To me it means engaging with the source in a different, and more intensive (and creative), way than just talking about what happened in the last episode. I'm interested to see if other people define it similarly or not.