I caught her on a park bench, making out with a *chaos* demon! Have you ever seen a chaos demon? They're all slime and antlers.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


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Laura - Apr 15, 2005 4:00:57 am PDT #5546 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.

I don't know if it should be tweaked a little to make it clear it's a rare thing

This is my concern with documenting sockpuppetry in the FAQ/Rules/Etiquette. This is a very rare thing that I have enjoyed in the past, but it wouldn't be so enjoyable if it were to become a frequent occurrence. No, I don't have wording to offer, but it does need to be clear.


-t - Apr 15, 2005 4:24:46 am PDT #5547 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think we need to say something in the FAQ or somewhere, just because I am uncomfortable with the idea of having a community standard for sockpuppetry that is understood by everyone who read this discussion but isn't made explicit anywhere for those who have not, whether it's because they stay away from Lightbulbs and B'cracy or because they simply haven't discovered their Buffistaness yet. I like Cindy's wording.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 15, 2005 4:27:16 am PDT #5548 of 10289
What is even happening?

This is my concern with documenting sockpuppetry in the FAQ/Rules/Etiquette. This is a very rare thing that I have enjoyed in the past, but it wouldn't be so enjoyable if it were to become a frequent occurrence. No, I don't have wording to offer, but it does need to be clear.

I understand, and agree. That's part of why I would prefer we drop it altogether, Laura. Then, if/when it happens, it could be treated as an exceptional event, and we'd only have to get involved (as a community as a whole) if the sock puppets were being abusive.

Right now, I think it is a joke some people love, some people hate, and some people think is funny, sometimes. I don't think codifying it is going to be helpful enough to make it worth it, and I'm not sure why we are going to, since we already have procedures in place to handle abusive incidents. I hate to see us legislating what comes down to taste.


brenda m - Apr 15, 2005 5:18:17 am PDT #5549 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, good. Not just me. This was my worry - that by adding it to the FAQ, we actually end up suggesting SP's in a roundabout way.*

I am uncomfortable with the idea of having a community standard for sockpuppetry that is understood by everyone who read this discussion but isn't made explicit anywhere for those who have not, whether it's because they stay away from Lightbulbs and B'cracy or because they simply haven't discovered their Buffistaness yet.

I get that, but I'm not sure that in this case, a post in Press for those of us around here along with explaining the consensed decision to any newbies who happen to pull one out might not be the best option.

*Kind of off topic question: I don't mind the SPs I've seen, and even when I haven't figured out who they are I thought they were pretty funny for the most part. But the conversation is making me wonder - aside from the recent March/Universe thingy, have I missed a whole bunch? Or is it just that they don't ping me?


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2005 5:21:28 am PDT #5550 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Off the top of my head -- God, March, Universe, Clovis, Ferret Liberation Whatever, Remote Controlled Zombie Robots. Not counting Sang Sacre denizens.


Tom Scola - Apr 15, 2005 5:23:52 am PDT #5551 of 10289
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Interrupting Communist Cow


Frankenbuddha - Apr 15, 2005 5:30:19 am PDT #5552 of 10289
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Didn't somebody pull out a BIG STOMPY FOOT once, or was that just an admin or the admin account gussied up?


-t - Apr 15, 2005 5:31:48 am PDT #5553 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

a post in Press for those of us around here along with explaining the consensed decision to any newbies who happen to pull one out might not be the best option.

That works for me.


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2005 5:32:50 am PDT #5554 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There is no Big Stompy Foot.


brenda m - Apr 15, 2005 5:40:36 am PDT #5555 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Clovis, Ferret Liberation Whatever, Remote Controlled Zombie Robots.

Ok. I guess I wasnt' counting those - have we heard from any of them in a year or more?

It's not important, I'm just trying to figure out why this issue exploded all of a sudden. I think if Universe hadn't said anything about being a newbie (which I think was just a riff on the whole "long-time listener, first-time caller thing) we maybe would've saved ourself some stress. OTOH, it never really occurred to me that SPs as we've seen them would be anything more than an annoyance to people who don't care for them, so it's just as well.