Heh. Yeah, but you're a real life sock puppet, Frank--or I am, or something.
River: I didn't think you'd come for me. Simon: Well, you're a dummy.
'Serenity'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Topic!Cindy - Apr 14, 2005 8:19:54 am PDT #5455 of 10289
What is even happening?
Jesse - Apr 14, 2005 8:21:36 am PDT #5456 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I don't mean to imply that I think this is a pressing issue. I don't.
I like to address things when there is no pressing issue -- makes it so much easier to think about things in the abstract.
aurelia - Apr 14, 2005 8:23:14 am PDT #5457 of 10289
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
That's my thought too, Jesse. But it can wait until after the current discussion.
Sean K - Apr 14, 2005 8:23:22 am PDT #5458 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I ask because I think of the How-To, Etiquette, and to a much lesser degree the FAQ as our rules pages.
Which seems to indicate that, if there is to be any change to the FAQ itself, you want it to be voted upon.
But there have already been consensed changes to the FAQ without voting, yes?
DavidS - Apr 14, 2005 8:23:33 am PDT #5459 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
So as a procedural matter, I think I understand what happens when it is decided to not vote on the matter formally and make it a matter of consensus, but still abide by the voting rules. The key element is simply that the original proposer (Betsy) withdraws her proposal after Lightbulbs has been open for it's requisite four days and everybody has had a chance to discuss the issue.
We can also work on the exact wording (as we're doing) for inclusion in the FAQ and etiquette guides. Ultimately it goes back to Bureau, and it would probably be worthwhile to post a notice saying the community has clarified this issue.
One question on it though: When a proposal is withdrawn, does the six month moratorium still apply? That is, if somebody really felt strongly that this needed a vote rather than a consensus could they repropose it? I'm not clear on that element.
Otherwise though, I'm very happy to see this hammered out in a compromise which clarifies our stance on the issue, provides some guidelines and expectations and accomodates both sides.
DavidS - Apr 14, 2005 8:24:25 am PDT #5460 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But there have already been consensed changes to the FAQ without voting, yes?
Definitely.
msbelle - Apr 14, 2005 8:24:41 am PDT #5461 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I like to address things when there is no pressing issue -- makes it so much easier to think about things in the abstract.
agreed. cause when it actually is an issue then EVERYONE will be all worked up and some will be screaming for their heads and others will be lamenting why we would ever want to punish anyone.
NoiseDesign - Apr 14, 2005 8:25:45 am PDT #5462 of 10289
Our wings are not tired
Wow. This must be how the DMV came up with all of their red tape.
Sean K - Apr 14, 2005 8:27:21 am PDT #5463 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
One question on it though: When a proposal is withdrawn, does the six month moratorium still apply?
I think we established by precedent from the last withdrawn proposal that the moratorium does *not* apply, but I could be misremembering that.
§ ita § - Apr 14, 2005 8:27:31 am PDT #5464 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
ND -- what's your alternative suggestion?