I do appreciate citations on tags.

(I like them, too, but I don't always use them because so often I just have a teeny snippet of a song lyric, and "'coriander stem and rose of hay'-- R.E.M." feels pretentious and off to me. So I don't attribute in those cases, and figure anyone who's curious enough can Google or ask. Sorry if it annoys.)

Trudy, do you feel that posting as MARCH is the exact same thing is saying "Hey, what are the good restaurants in West Hollywood?" -- another conversation that will interest some people and that everyone else can scroll by? Because that's what I'm getting from you, and I wonder if you can understand that it does not feel that way to the people who are annoyed by sockpuppets.

Not Trudy, and not speaking for anyone but myself, to me, yes. I can say "Oooh, sockpuppet. Not for me" and scroll by. And I do understand that the sockpuppets really annoy people. But, to use one example, so do people talking about parties I wasn't invited to. It's happened, and it hurt, but who am I to tell them not to talk about their good time?

Sorry if it annoys.

No, no. Just easier on lazy folk like me.

majority rule is probably not gonna go away. I am in no way loving the country right now, that just means I have to get more active and effective in getting my view points across if I want them to become the majority.

And it is not as if most of what we will be debating as board policy with have a measurable element so as to determine what is "better" for the board other than what the posters view as being best for their personal use of the board.

Conversations come and go here. They run their course and then end.

Trudy, do you feel that posting as MARCH is the exact same thing is saying "Hey, what are the good restaurants in West Hollywood?"

That's a good question, and I'm curious to hear the answer.

Because, honestly, I see sockpuppets as a performance, even when they're putatively interacting with a person or two. And I don't come here for performance; I come here for conversation.

Again, I realize that other people *like* the performance. Just my .02.

Trudy-- I think voting was to make sure even posters who are discussion-averse or shy have a say in decisions. I know from teaching adults that I had to enforce rules which required all students to participate, otherwise the talkiest set the tone of the class all the time. I, myself, have a really big mouth, but I think the shy folk add a lot to the culture of the board and I am glad we set things up to make it easier for them to have their two-cents taken into account.

I come here for conversation.

"I came here for an argument."

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, really.
edit: oh, who am I kidding. I'm not sorry but I'm chagrined at my lack of ability to resist Python.

Now if we're going to vote on every little thing that bugs someone? And then have gripe-fests in our Live Journals? Eh. Tiresome. Un-fun.

well clearly not for everyone. I like having gripe-fests in my LJ. Enjoy it MASSIVELY.

and as for Un-fun. several people find the sockpuppets un-fun.

so where's the social justice there? who is the underdog that needs defending?

Trudy-- I think voting was to...

I'm not saying it was all bad by any means, but I think it may go too far.

I also think its unfair to act like the concensus method was ALL bad and the "bullshit" appelation always grates.

Because, honestly, I see sockpuppets as a performance, even when they're putatively interacting with a person or two. And I don't come here for performance; I come here for conversation.

I see the stream of board conversations like a big party. Sometimes people will be talking quietly, sometimes someone half-cut will be telling a funny joke, and sometimes people will be hanging out by the chips and dip, grazing. And we have a bunch of different flavours of dip, just a click away.