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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Pix - Apr 13, 2005 1:44:03 pm PDT #5238 of 10289
The status is NOT quo.

No being coy about "maybe I am, maybe I'm not." That's just rude and obnoxious.

Yes, I agree. I think if someone is deliberately obfuscating their identity or if they are using a sockpuppet to be a troll, then they are really infringing on the atmosphere of the board.


Allyson - Apr 13, 2005 1:44:29 pm PDT #5239 of 10289
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Okay, this is a personal ish, and it's going to sound arrogant, but having googled me, i know it's true.

Sometimes I want to weigh in on a show topic and I don't feel comfortable because I'm Allyson and it could get posted elsewhere, or Whedonesqued, as has happened before. There's things I don't say, that I think are interesting, or may be of interest, under this name. I have seriously considered using my LJ name before to be able to talk about some things, enter discussions freely, without some folks thinking this came from Joss Whedon or Tim Minear or something. That does happen from time to time.

I'd like to have the sockpuppet option, you know? What about that would bug?


msbelle - Apr 13, 2005 1:44:37 pm PDT #5240 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I am missing why people can't be funny without sockpuppets.

there are levels of irritation. Let's not think that that anyone is bringing up every single irritation they have. I think we all know that people ignore or skim or skip things everyday that they find irritating. Obviously for some, this issue is more than mild irritation.


JohnSweden - Apr 13, 2005 1:46:16 pm PDT #5241 of 10289
I can't even.

Oh, pseuds are next, don't you worry. (Ima go change my name legally to JohnSweden for when the Buffista birth certificate swipe card login happens.)

However I'm on the opposite side and I've found them pretty funny when they've popped up.

Some of the sockpuppetry has been some of the funniest stuff we've done here. Trudy's MARCH stuff was really well done in the context of all the griping (in good fun) that was going on here. Let's not stifle that very occasional creativity in the interest of, what? The board has the ways and means to deal with posters who step out of line. Sockpuppets have to hew to those rules the same as everyone else.


Connie Neil - Apr 13, 2005 1:48:08 pm PDT #5242 of 10289
brillig

I am missing why people can't be funny without sockpuppets.

We can. We can also be funny with sockpuppets. How many ways of funny do we have to avoid?


§ ita § - Apr 13, 2005 1:48:30 pm PDT #5243 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What about that would bug?

Because I want to know who you are, to engage with you.

I suppose it's potentially your loss if you engage in a discussion without your history, but I want to know if it's Allyson that I'm arguing with. It'll help shape the argument (and for the better, I think, btw).

It just strikes me as cheating.

Of course, maybe I'll know it's you, because I've studied your every mannerism -- or whatever, but everyone should know, or no one.

Now I want to challenge every newbie "Are you Allyson??? Pinkie swear? How close are you to the earth? Where's your magic?"


Anne W. - Apr 13, 2005 1:48:52 pm PDT #5244 of 10289
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Trudy's MARCH stuff was really well done in the context of all the griping (in good fun) that was going on here.

Absolutely. Also, I figured out pretty quickly who MARCH was. At the same time, if anyone is made uncomfortable (or is just plain curious), asking "who are you?" is a perfectly legitimate question.


NoiseDesign - Apr 13, 2005 1:50:12 pm PDT #5245 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

I am missing why people can't be funny without sockpuppets.

Different folks laugh at different things. When I had two roommates, tow of us loved MASH, and one just hated it. One roommate loved Curb your Ethusiasm, and the other two of us just despised the humor in that show. I find the sockpuppets a riot much of the time. I also know that my sense of humor is not everyone's.


Sean K - Apr 13, 2005 1:50:18 pm PDT #5246 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

If they people that are bothered and vote that way are in the majority, why shouldn't it go their way?

There's a rebuttal here that I'm having a hard time formulating, but it runs along the lines of : Does this mean the United States should turn into Jesusland, if the majority of people want it?

What if the majority of people want to make this a board where we're openly racist, or sexist? What if the majority of people want everybody to post in French, or Esperanto?

Being in the majority doesn't make one right, or mean that that's how things should be, even if we vote on it.

That being said, I'm still not sure I've said this effectively, or how valid my point here is, or if it can be properly applied to the current situation.


Kristen - Apr 13, 2005 1:51:08 pm PDT #5247 of 10289

Because I want to know who you are, to engage with you.

But in the situation we're talking about, you would know that it's Allyson or that it's me. It's not like we're concealing our identity from the community. Just from the people observing the community.