Sir? I'd like you to take the helm, please. I need this man to tear all my clothes off.

Zoe ,'Serenity'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Wolfram - Oct 29, 2004 5:06:02 am PDT #4993 of 10289
Visilurking

Cindy, I thought people might want to have an option to just have a white font thread for hard core spoiler seekers who only want spoilers for some shows, without worrying about the level of spoiler, i.e. Lite or Heavy.

Also I'd suggest you use Deena's definition from before or something similar for the traditional Lite thread:

Defining the light spoiler thread to be added, if it passes, as guest stars, episode titles, authors, and preview speculation in regular font, with exiting cast, tv guide and other entertainment articles and their discussion white-fonted. This would be a general thread, like the general spoilers thread.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 29, 2004 1:40:38 pm PDT #4994 of 10289
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My basic position is a desire for hard core yet whitefonted spoilers to have a thread.

However, if that's to be spoiler thread #3, nope, nosirree.

I approach the first from the opposite direction, plugging for a hardcore spoilers thread in which show creators' wives can post their pillow talk about future seasons in 24pt bold type. But I agree that 3 spoiler threads are too many no matter what the breakdown of specific needs addressed by each. I'd rather not have any spoiler threads at all than give people the headache of trying to choose between 3 active threads any time they hear a spoiler and then trying to figure out the type color rules for the thread it most nearly fits.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 30, 2004 3:45:34 am PDT #4995 of 10289
What is even happening?

Cindy, I thought people might want to have an option to just have a white font thread for hard core spoiler seekers who only want spoilers for some shows, without worrying about the level of spoiler, i.e. Lite or Heavy.

This makes no sense to me, Wolfram (sincerely). I hope I'm not coming across as intentionally obtuse. If/when white font is used to mask spoilers, it is used because there is an assumption that some people don't want to read some stuff. If spoilers are in white font, but not labeled, how will people know what they want to read or avoid? We might as well not use white font, if we're not using labels.


Jon B. - Oct 30, 2004 7:28:09 am PDT #4996 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Wolfram didn't say not to use labels. I think labelling is implied.


§ ita § - Oct 30, 2004 7:31:11 am PDT #4997 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then what's the difference between his suggestion and Cindy's? Saying if it's lite or not?

In all honesty, were I playing in that thread, I'd probably not label much lite, since the definition's a little subjective, and I'd not want to tarnish anyone's experience.

This in no way prevents anyone who does know what lite is from labelling theirs thusly, though.


Wolfram - Oct 30, 2004 4:40:10 pm PDT #4998 of 10289
Visilurking

We might as well not use white font, if we're not using labels.

Like Jon said, I meant there'd still be labels for particular shows, but not for level of spoiler. The only way I think Lite and Heavy Spoilers could reasonably co-exist is with Lite in plain font and Spoilers in whitefont. (Although for reasons previously stated, I think this negates the whitefonting purposes of the traditional Lite.)

In all honesty, were I playing in that thread, I'd probably not label much lite, since the definition's a little subjective, and I'd not want to tarnish anyone's experience.

This. Since lite is subjective, I don't know how many of us lite seekers will risk uncovering labels in a whitefont thread that contains hard core spoilers.


§ ita § - Oct 30, 2004 4:46:41 pm PDT #4999 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know how many of us lite seekers will risk uncovering labels in a whitefont thread that contains hard core spoilers.

I'd think (hope?) the thread could contain everyone who missed the lite thread -- you guys know how to label, so you'd read Jon's posts without hesitation, right?


DCJensen - Oct 30, 2004 7:23:55 pm PDT #5000 of 10289
All is well that ends in pizza.

Labeling is good.

So is numberslutting.


Gus - Oct 30, 2004 7:42:03 pm PDT #5001 of 10289
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

t slaps DCJ upside his numberslutting haid

... then. Then, comes the laughter.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 31, 2004 1:46:47 am PDT #5002 of 10289
What is even happening?

I meant there'd still be labels for particular shows, but not for level of spoiler.
Okay. Sorry for the confusion, Wolfram. I think labeling a spoiler just with show title, with no kind of categorization of the spoilers, is less useful than having a label that gives information as to both show and contents. Granted it isn't useful to you, because you would choose not to use the thread, but your preference isn't typical of what I've seen in practice. I've used some really different boards, and have held (personally) basically every spoiler philosophy there is from BAD!--VERY BAD, to GIVE ME MOOOOOOOOORE!

At a few (not spoiler community) boards where spoilers were posted in the regular show discussion forum, or even just the main forum, with either spoiler font, or spoiler space) including two linear boards (iow--one giant thread), I've found people are more comfortable when they have a clue as to what kind of information they're being offered. I don't think it's a hardship to type "Lost/Plot" instead of just typing "Lost", so I'm not going to add a sixth option. If you want, you can suggest le nubian add the sixth option. But seeing as you (and Jon) have both said you would't use a thread with anything heavier than traditional lite spoilers, my suggestion is to wait and let someone who wants that option suggest it.

If there is someone who wants a white font thread, but objects to labeling with type, they can advocate for it. I chose the categories for my suggested ballot, by going back through the thread, and seeing what people wanted. The only suggestion I did not include was simply a "Lost" hardcore spoilers thread, because I only saw one person advocating for that above a general thread, but saw a few advocating against it. I felt suggesting that, would again start moving this conversation towards adding two new (for a total of three) spoiler threads, and in general, people in this discussion have expressed they find that excessive.

The only way I think Lite and Heavy Spoilers could reasonably co-exist is with Lite in plain font and Spoilers in whitefont. (Although for reasons previously stated, I think this negates the whitefonting purposes of the traditional Lite.)
That's would be the mixed bag thread (I know you know that, but for people who haven't been playing along at home, I'm mentioning it here).