I dithered over this for a moment, because I think UDrew is writing for that show now, but decided against it.

Both Drew and Jeff Bell are with Alias now.

I also think Dead Like Me is our kind of show and would sustain some interesting discussion, but I, regretfully, feel there are two reasons it wouldn't be a good thread choice. I don't think enough people watch it, and it's only 13 episodes a year, which are almost over until this next summer assuming it's picked up again.

I believe it'll be back next season.

I have a suspicion that, should the Lost thread come to pass, Alias would become an unofficial part of the mission of the thread, esp if they both end up on the same night.

A DLM thread, to a large extent, would be like...I was going to say like having a thread for a movie or maybe series of movies, and then I realized that we have a thread for LotR. The difference, of course, being the relative lack of stuff in the off-season (ie-no concerts, or SE DVDs, etc), and, IMO, a less-rich set of texts (esp with the books). A Sunday night HBO thread would make sense, schedule-wise, but the tone of the set of shows are so different that I don't see a cohesiveness there, although the same could be said for Boxed Set, to a large extent.

But this is ground that has been covered, and, probably made a final decision on, and I'll stop talking now, and go back to Lions in Kenya.

Hmm. I understand the concerns expressed, but I'm curious. Did the new blood attracted by WF and FF threads really change attitude/culture of the board that much? I don't frequent the Minearverse thread anymore, but my feeling was the mass influx around the time of the WF cancellation didn't sustain its momentum--most of the newbies didn't stick around, and those who did hang around for the long haul did so because their wavelength/philosophy/whatever meshed with that of the Buffistas.

I'm in favor of Lost thread, not because I want us to have the kick-assiest and the most comprehensive of the Lost boards on the net, but because I want to discuss the show with Buffistas. I mean, the TwoP board is fine, but it's not *my* board. And since the show is a hit, I don't think we are in danger of being swamped by people who flock to us because there is nowhere else to discuss the show on the web (as was the case with WF). I don't want the board to become another TwoP, not at all, but as a TV/media culture junkie, the biggest draw to the Buffistas for me was that I found a bunch of people who were funny, intelligent, irreverent yet able to find depth and layers in pop-culture products--and a communal TV watching was a huge part of that. I have missed that sorely since the Angel finale, and I feel like Lost shares some of the qualities that attracted Buffistas to the Jossverse in the first place, which will make it a good fit for the board--good writing, promise of character-driven arcs, rooms for speculation/analysis (it could do with infusion of some trademark MEverse humor though.)

When the push comes to shove though, this is probably all related to how the board is different things to different people.

I don't really have anything to add to the debate over the worthiness of either Lost or The OC as shows with their own threads. I honestly watch so little tv right now (I can usually manage to watch The Daily Show the day after it airs, that's about it) that tv is not what brings me by anymore.

What *IS* interesting to me is the idea that msbelle raised about writing a new header because the old one is outdated, and the anxiety that Liese expressed about how the board membership may change as a result of our focus on new tv shows.

I suspect that both women are right. Our focus is changing. Our membership is changing. And it may well be time for our header to change.

Vonnie is me.

those who did hang around for the long haul did so because their wavelength/philosophy/whatever meshed with that of the Buffistas.

I would just like to identify myself as one of those.

And since the show is a hit, I don't think we are in danger of being swamped by people who flock to us because there is nowhere else to discuss the show on the web (as was the case with WF).

The TWoP forum's been inundated with newbies, and they're more visible and popular than we are.

Basically, I think I agree with Vonnie. But then again, we tend to agree on things Lost-related.

Last Wednesday's Lost was penned by an Mutant Enemy vet, David Fury.

It's not like there is a total absence of connection to the Buffyverse.

IJS...

Okay, but Tim Minear just created the Insider, Rebecca Kirschner is on Gilmore, DeKnight and Greenberg are on Smallville, Jane is doing something interesting, Goddard and Bell on Alias, Marti on Point Pleasant, Shawn Ryan, Liz Craft and Sarah Fein are on the Shield, Rob DesHotel is on That 70s Show, mere is working on something...

If we're going to make a thread based on everything a Mutant Enemy writer creates or works on, we're gonna need a bigger boat.

I was just adding the fact that it's not entirely out of scope. It's wildly popular with some our members, and it has at least one ME alum on board.

It just seems like some the arguments against a lost thread would also apply to closing Boxed Set, maybe others.

I guess I don't see it as such a major sea change in the board, as we have made allowances for other outside programs. And even then I'm well on the record for sticking Lost discussion in Boxed Set, which keeps threads from proliferating, and gives the impression we are trying to keep the central focus of the board.

But it's 1:45 am, and I need more sleep, so I'm probably babbling.

I also have nothing to add on the current proposal. I'm ready to vote. On the peripheral/tangential issues that have been brought up I do have some thoughts.

I honestly watch so little tv right now that tv is not what brings me by anymore.

I watch tv but like Burrell, tv isn't why I keep coming here. I don't know how serious some people are about creating specific threads to take certain discussions out of natter (aside from the proposed show threads - that's not what I'm talking about) but I for one like the variety of natter. Not every topic that is discussed there interests me and some topics which I never would've thought of have turned out to be really intriguing. I don't always have time to keep up so I skip/skim and maybe I miss some things I would've been interested in. That's okay. There will be more.

And now my brain has shut down and I find myself unable to sum up the point I was trying to make. Sorry. I hope that makes some sort of sense.