I'm not trying to introduce a new idea, but I'd like a Showtime Sunday thread. I think Showtime shows Dead Like Me, QaF, Huff and The L Word in specific, rotate, so that there are always new episodes. So if they had one thread, we could talk about whichever show was airing at the time and it would be sort of like a show specific thread, but not. I'd love to talk about DLM in particular, think I'd like to watch Huff, and enjoy the L Word. I haven't yet gotten into QaF, but I know others have.

Wow. What made sense to me a half an hour ago is now completely confusing. I thought the poll was to determine interest in threads for TV shows. So, a vote for "No new threads for TV shows" makes sense as an option alongside the various show thread options. But I don't think the poll results should then immediately be used to create threads (should the poll results be supportive of new show threads).

I think, if the poll shows sufficient interest in creating new show threads, then the determination of which shows get threads should be taken to a vote. This would then give people who voted "No new threads" a chance to at least have a say in which new threads are created. I think this takes care of amych's issue, right?

I agree with Proposal 1, though not for the reason mentioned. MEverse is (sadly) not giving us anything new. No new spoilers, no new quotes, and no NAFDA making a Previously necessary.

They aren't necessary, and they should be closed.

I'm reluctant to vote for a thread for a new show but could change my mind if there's a lot of support for a specific show. Right now, I'm not seeing that.

Maybe one choice should be: No new threads

Definitely. Otherwise, it's hardly a vote at all.

What do you think of Burrell's suggestion?

I think it's a good idea -- I can see why agreeing on what the threads would be about before we agree to make them would make sense. My one concern is whether we would effectively be asking people to vote twice on the same thing, but my original proposal would also have two votes in it, just in a different order. I also like Cindy's multi-part ballot.

If I wanted to do a poll first, could a stompy set it up on b.org, or would I have to do it in LiveJournal/Mister Poll?

How would spoilers be handled in these proposed TV threads?

I was thinking of them as NAFDA zones. I'd prefer to leave any discussion of new spoiler threads for another proposal, if that's okay. (I feel like adding multiple new show threads is already a test for the server, and I don't want to talk about multiplying the impact with a spoiler thread or threads until we know it can handle it. if I'm wrong, Stompies, please tell me.)

If I wanted to do a poll first, could a stompy set it up on b.org, or would I have to do it in LiveJournal/Mister Poll?

If there's a bullshit consensus to first do an informal non-binding poll, then I'll set it up here, but I'd suggest that we put your current official proposal on hold first. Otherwise, we'll be rushing immediately from the results of the poll to an official vote with little time to discuss the results in between.

Thanks, Jon. Let me sleep on it, and I'll look at the feedback here and make a decision in the morning.

1. That to reduce server load, Angel Spoilers, Previously, and Angel Quotables be closed and archived as soon as is feasible;

Sure, once deathmatches are done.

2. That the Buffistas hold a poll to see which, if any, TV shows have sufficient poster interest to deserve a thread. The format of the poll and number/percentage of votes needed to determine "sufficent interest" will be decided through discussion, as will the upper limit on the number of threads we can create.

I agree with Jon that 3 and 4 should be put off until we see what the results of this are.

A somewhat related thought... if people are wanting to discuss Lost and Alias would it be unreasonable to put them in a shared thread? They are both J.J. Abrams shows, right? (And I am someone who watches one but not the other.)

I think that's a logical grouping (as long as Syd doesn't end up on any deserted islands and confuses the issue).

Do we want to look at grouping any shows (in groups of 2 or 3), or does that confuse the issue?

I thought about it (couldn't sleep), and I think I have a way to word the ballot that will allow us to express interest in both the concept of atarting new threads and the specific threads before we're committed to starting anything, thus (it would seem) eliminating the need for the poll. The ballot could be worded like so: (And yes, it resembles Cindy's. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and all.)

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1. Would you support adding a TV show thread or threads to b.org?
a. Yes
b. No

2. If #1 passes, which (one? two? three?) of the following shows would you be most interested in a thread on? Threads may be started for any shows that get more than ?XX (or, XX percent of the)? votes, following the tally of the vote and a discussion. If it seems necessary, we may have a second vote to approve the results before any threads are started.
a. Alias
b. Lost
c. Veronica Mars
d. Jack and Bobby
i. Whatever else people suggest
j. No preference

3. One option to prevent thread sprawl would be closing any threads created by this measure automatically if the series is cancelled, unless there's a truly exceptional circumstance. Would you support that?
a. Yes
b. No

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Things to decide; a. How many shows people should be able to vote for. Two seems right to me, but I could be swayed down to one, or up to three.

b. What "XX percent" will be. We could either go by percentage, in which case I'd say 1/3 or 1/2, depending on how many options are on the ballot, or by number, in which case I'd say 25-40.

c. Whether we need to vote before closing and archiving Angel Spoilers and Previously (and Quotables post-Deathmatch.) I feel like we've already agreed to that, but if not, it would be item 4. We could also make agreeing to that and the automatic closure part of the vote on #1.

d. Whether we can combine shows on the ballot. I could see pairing Alias and Lost, or all reality shows, but it might be asking for whitefont/spoilage headaches. Opinions?

Alias and Lost are supposed to be running back to back like the Showtime Sunday night shows, with Alias starting in January, so combining them seems reasonable to me.