Also (in a new spin on a popular argument) shunting contentious threads to PF in the spirit of compromise is a really bad precedent to set, in my opinion.

I think the precedent was already set when the F2F thread had to go there, after last Fall's consolidation, but I understand and agree with your point.

I, for one, would rather see this go to a vote tomorrow as scheduled (which will also end discussion on this matter for at least 6 months. Yay!)

I feel that way in large part too, and am happy to accept whatever happens. I probably fail to come across this way, but whenever something is proposed, whether it is something I love or hate, what I most want is for the will of the Buffistas to be decided. Thank you for considering the compromise, anyhow. You've already compromised a lot, and I admire that.

Wolfram, please don't kill me.

Cindy, your need to find a compromise comes from a place inside you that is impossible not to love. Don't ever change.

No fear of that. This old dog tries the new tricks, but... And thank you, you're sweet. Personally, I'm pulling for this to win. I will vote in favor of it. I think your updated proposal is good (and did not see it until after I posted my compromise proposal). Thanks for all your patience, and hard work.

FWIW, I am now in favor of the clauses you've added at the end.

I feel that way in large part too, and am happy to accept whatever happens. I probably fail to come across this way, but whenever something is proposed, whether it is something I love or hate, what I most want is for the will of the Buffistas to be decided.

Hec said it earlier too, and the same goes for me. If the thread passes I'll be very pleased and eager to jump in with the Book Club. If it fails to pass, I'll be disappointed. And that's it, no hard feelings.

I think testing the book club in Literary, where odds are strong it will fail, is a bad idea. The inevitable result seems to be the "this didn't work in literary, so why do you think it deserves its own thread" argument, which will just suck for everyone

Putting it on LJ or PF is less-bad, but will limit participation (I, for one, would be much less likely to participate if it wasn't on b.org), and I agree with Wolf about the precedent-setting.

It's worth pointing out that the only threads we have actually voted in, other than those involved in the consolidation in which some threads were repurposed, were Minearverse and Wonderfalls Spoilers. Everything else was started under bullshit consensus.

And we voted on Lightbulbs if I remember correctly, but I think you meant non-admin threads.

I have a friend who is in a book club that chooses their reading list for the year at their December meeting. Each person brings 2-3 books to pimp and then the group selects from among them and sets the entire calendar.

This is about how mine works. Whenever we get to the end of the list, we meet to select the next round. Each person comes with a list (the length is of their choosing, some bring 3, some 7), and we pick one book off each person's list. That person is the discussion leader for that book. Discussion leader being a somewhat nebulous term. Some folks have chosen to do some research into the history of the text itself or the time period in which it's written, etc, others just look up a reading group guide to the book, in order to have questions about the book on hand if the conversation lags.

I like the latest proposal, Wolfram.

My opinion on the clauses -- I like Clause A but not Clause B. I don't think this or any other thread should automatically be assigned lead in a pruned thread pile if resources require pruning at some point.

I'll vote for it either way. And I appreciate your work on this. Lots.

PF?

People's Forum.

Okay, it seems discussion has finally winded (wound?) down on this proposal and we've pretty much agreed on the main part of the text. So a couple of final details:

1) Should I include Clause A (Auto-close) in the final proposal? I've seen several pro-thread people say they don't mind it, but I haven't seen anyone who is opposed to the thread or on the fence about it say that this clause will make any difference. At this point, unless someone says it might make a difference to them, I'm not inclined to include it.

2) Should I include Clause B (First to go) in the final proposal? Same thing as above.

3) Do we have someone to count votes? (I think Nilly volunteered somewhere upthread.)

4) When does voting start? (Due to my own personal responsibilities, my final draft of the proposal will be posted no later than 3:00 P.m. EST/12:00 p.m. board time.) So as far as I'm concerned the ballot can be set up anytime after that.

I don't like either of those clauses, but only B would make a difference to me, and even then I'm still likely to vote for it.