We do though, have a quotable thread that is slated to close soon. Does that make any difference?

An either this or that vote would be a different monster, than what we are looking at here, though.

I guess this vote will go down and if anyone wants to brave it, a possible threads to close discussion can start in Bureaublah. In the meantime back-end work continues and maybe it will help.

Well, I think we understand each other, ita. I just disagree that hardness and potential bitterness should close the discussion. I personally feel particularly bitter about the Literary thread flap, but, y'know, I'm still trying to be a part of this community for better or worse.

I just disagree that hardness and potential bitterness should close the discussion.

If you're willing to spearhead it, I thought you should be aware of the history.

Me, I've been there, done that, not eager to return.

Just to be sure I understand the situation wrt resources:

Right now we are on a dedicated server. We have lots of room but it is expensive. We want to not have a dedicated server in the future. That may mean reducing traffic if we let things get too out of hand now.

Is that right?

If you're willing to spearhead it, I thought you should be aware of the history.

Not I! Too ignorant about the other threads.

Personally, I'd fight to keep FF open. It's on topic fairly regularly and there is a movie coming up in the not too distant future. Also, it's an established thread within this community. And, you know, mentioned on our front page and all.

If someone wanted to propose to close Minearverse [this one we might want to put on extended hiatus until DVDs come out, Moon goes into production or Tim does another show], Lovesick Ass [though I'd probably ask to wait until after Comicon so people can talk about the eps they see there] or Spoilers...well, I'd be sad to see them go but I wouldn't oppose the idea.

If having a new thread isn't going to break the system, it should just be a consideration right? Not the only consideration? (I think maybe that's what I was getting at when I said "ita's always anti") I feel like that's what it's becoming.

I read this proposal as "The culture in the existing book thread isn't what I want it to be, so I want a new book thread." I will believe that the current Literary thread is inhospitable to a book club when I see the experiment tried and failed.

Betsy (and Polter-Cow) speak for me.

I'd like to see a Book Club tried in Literary rather than under a separate thread.

I think what ita's saying is that it isn't going to break the current system, but cause trouble in the future. So, yeah, it doesn't seem like the only consideration, but like an important word of caution ita's telling us to remember that times will not be so flush in the future, and that she doesn't want to make the decisions about which threads live or die. It seems to me, though, that maybe we should keep the caution in mind (because it's a pretty big concern), but also consider other factors in voting, such as whether we think it'll be useful in the short term or what need it will fill in the community.

I mean, this isn't at the level of Bush's tax cuts -- no one's proposing that every special interest get its own thread -- so, as far as I can tell, we can't say at this point whether we'll be actually screwed in the future or not (or if so, at what level -- whether we'd have to choose between just this thread and one other or whether we'd have to cut 10 threads), but it is a big expenditure, and should be approached as such.