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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Miracleman - Jul 06, 2004 1:15:53 pm PDT #3986 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Wolfram, I'm still not seeing why you can't set that up in Lit. If one person is a morning poster and the other is an afternoon poster, being in a different thread isn't going to change that. Adding another thread isn't going to increase the time to read a given book or facilitate Persons C-Z discussion of said book if they've read it. So far, this Book Club thread just sounds like a recommendation to read a book with deadlines. Nothing about that needs a whole new thread.


bon bon - Jul 06, 2004 1:15:55 pm PDT #3987 of 10289
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm anti-prolif, and still unclear on why the current lit thread-- unsatisfying because of the lack of discussion focus-- is inhospitable to focusing. Why is it a problem that everyone talks about one book at once? What is the likelihood that there will be a lot of "noise" if there are lots of people reading the same book? Like a show thread, it can discuss both the current book and books in general. To sum up, I don't see what will be disturbed by attempting book club in Literary.

Some of the proliferation concerns seem remote because we have a dedicated server, however temporarily, and no foreseeable population explosions. But there is still the concern of the slippery slope of simply adding threads unjustifiably and grandfathering those threads in. Separating discussions is one thing-- creating an LotR thread to keep it from derailing natter-- but creating them of whole cloth when we feel like it is kind of a bad precedent to set.


Daisy Jane - Jul 06, 2004 1:16:55 pm PDT #3988 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

There's nothing stopping you from finding people who have read Z or telling somebody "Dude! Z! Read it, it rocks!" and getting people to read it and talk about it in Lit rather than starting a whole new thread.

People do suggest that people read what they like, it just never turns into discussion because 12 other people are suggesting what they like. Which is good. If I'm about to go to the bookstore I can hunt back through Literary for stuff I might like, but by the time I've had a chance to buy it and read it, and come back to talk about it, it's been a while. So I say- I just read whateverthebookwas! By then there are new recs, not a lot of discussion.


-t - Jul 06, 2004 1:19:07 pm PDT #3989 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I guess the question is: would incorporating a Book Club into Literary derail Literary's current function?


Daisy Jane - Jul 06, 2004 1:19:37 pm PDT #3990 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I'm not sure that we couldn't do it in that thread. I would worry that the people who have no interest in reading whatever we've chosen would get bored looking for reccomendations or info on the latest Harry Potter (assuming that's not what we were reading) and feel they'd been pushed out of a thread they enjoyed.


brenda m - Jul 06, 2004 1:20:00 pm PDT #3991 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Separating discussions is one thing-- creating an LotR thread to keep it from derailing natter-- but creating them of whole cloth when we feel like it is kind of a bad precedent to set.

Is this really so different, though? I mean, for me the biggest argument in favor is that I think the separation will improve the discussion - but the flip side to the argument is exactly to keep it from derailing the Lit thread as it has developed.


Miracleman - Jul 06, 2004 1:20:55 pm PDT #3992 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

By then there are new recs, not a lot of discussion.

So encourage the discussion. If SoandSo recced a book and you read it and come back, address SoandSo. "Took your rec and thought it sucked!" or whatever.

Not trying to be a hardass, but to me it's seeming more and more that a Book Club thread isn't so much about "discussing specific books" but not wading through other peoples' posts while you do it. And, no offense meant to anyone, but I don't see why we should start generating threads based on that. I'm not up to speed on the Bat-family...should I split off from Jossverse and propose a thread that talk only about Powers so's I don't have to wade through Plei's (very illuminating, really, no insult) lengthy treatise on Dick Grayson's fffaaaabulous butt?


Kat - Jul 06, 2004 1:21:08 pm PDT #3993 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

You don't consider it to have been answered?

No, I wasn't clear.

I was curious about it; I'm glad Jessica asked it that's all I meant.


Daisy Jane - Jul 06, 2004 1:23:50 pm PDT #3994 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Not trying to be a hardass, but to me it's seeming more and more that a Book Club thread isn't so much about "discussing specific books" but not wading through other peoples' posts while you do it.

Actually, you have it backwards. It's not about not being bothered with other people's posts, it's about them not having to deal with upmty-hundred posts about one thing they want nothing to do with.


Miracleman - Jul 06, 2004 1:26:08 pm PDT #3995 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

It's not about not being bothered with other people's posts, it's about them not having to deal with upmty-hundred posts about one thing they want nothing to do with.

Well, then I'm here to say that that's not a problem for me. I can scroll and scroll until I find someone talking about something I like, or start a parallel conversation.