The House Keeping Proposal. Preliminary Ballot. Version 4.0

Each item will be phrased as a yes/no vote. Each item is individually considered (one doesn't need to pass for the other to pass). I'm also including more cuts figuring what passes gets cut and what doesn't pass doesn't.

1. Close and archive The Buffista Corp thread.

2. At some point, perhaps post-death match, the Buffy quotable thread be closed.

3. Close and archive the Firefly quotable thread.

4. Close and archive the Previously thread. A concurrent discussion current season and syndications will be welcome in the Angel thread. Also leaving the Buffy thread to continue discussing all of Buffy.

5. If item 4 as written does not pass, Change the slug line of the Previously thread to reflect that it is a discussion of past episodes of Angel. -- Edited to take Jon's point into account.

6. Consolidate Due South, Smallville and perhaps Farscape into a single thread, called something like Due South/Smallville/Farscape.

7. Close and archive Buffy Spoilers Lite.

8. Change the name of the Buffy/Angel Spoilers thread to "Angel Spoilers"

9. Consolidate PPO and Bitchy Fic and the Bitches' Anthology. PPO and (I think) the anthology would be closed and Bitchy Fic would be renamed. If that's not correct, please let me know.

10. Close the F2F Planning thread until the next F2F goes into being planned and then reopen it to posts at that time.

11. Close and archive Angel Spoilage Lite.

Additionally, post something about how to keep our board up. Add to FAQ? Include in the registration email?

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To me, these seem small changes that shift things around. Yes, they aren't shifting big giant resource sucks, but I think it's more than just rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic. I don't feel the same hopelessness or panic. But I would like to streamline things. If I buy into the idea that making these changes is a useless step, then I am going to figure, why bother and instead of streamlining anything, we streamline nothing.

massive xpost

So let's put our heads together and houseclean.

ETA-- or see above post, which is doing rather than just posting a vague suggestion, like I did!

So housecleaning is useful.

Yes. As the normally silent part of FanGeek, I'd like to suggest that those who are willing, take into consideration following some of Kristen's suggestions. Looking at the code is good and needs to be done, but it's possible that there won't be some magic bullet that will cure the situation. However, a bunch of things that have been considered "too small to make a big difference," when added together, could help.

It's like dieting. Don't look at this as "if i take the right pill, I'll drop 60 pounds." A few changes over the long haul can make a difference when added up.

In other words, what Kat said (see above).

Oh.

Number 11 on the ballot should be closing and archiving Angel Spoilers Lite. For all of the reasons Cindy listed. In fact I'll go edit and add it.

The way it would work would be they would all be closed and archived and a new thread combining all three under a clever umbrella would open. Fanfic would still house discussion.

The only part I don't like is closing them all and archiving. It makes more sense to my brain to just close and archive PPO, and perhaps change Bitchy Fic's title to Buffista Fic.

There are several multi-part stories in BF, and if archived, it would be a PITA to go back and read the beginning. PPO, however, is almost entirely stand alones, and of the two, BF is by far the most active.

If item #4 fails to pass, then the Previously thread should have it's slug changed to reflect that it's for discussion of past Angel episodes, true? Otherwise, we effectively have two threads for discussion of old Buffy eps.

I ask this, because I was for that item as it was originally proposed, but not as it is now written. At this point, while we are still testing to see if certain coding changes will improve things, I don't think we should be closing up busy threads. And Previously will become busy once we have both new and old eps of Angel running.

And I also like the spoilers lite thread. Because it's exactly the level of spoiler I want to know about and discuss.

Okay, so here's the in-no-particular-order list that (Jess?) made:

Buffista Corp

Spoilage Lite: Buffy

I think we all pretty much agree that these can go.

Buffista Music 1: The Music (And Who Can Blame It) Swells

Buffista Movies 1: Go Monkey. Choose Monkey.

These topics can both be folded back into Natter easily enough. They both have active communities, though.

Previously 1: The Who Whating How With Huh?

I personally don't see any reason this can't be folded back into the Buffy and Angel topics. It's nice to have a place we can go specifically to bring up Stuff That Happened A While Ago, but I don't think it's necessary, nor does it seem to me (look! A disclaimer!) like this topic has a subcommunity that would want preservation.

The Quotable Buffy: She said that? When?

I really want to finish the deathmatches - so sue me. I suppose we could go to a poll-based system, the way we used to vote for thread titles, though. Admittedly that'd reduce the ability to do fun yelling.

Smallville 1: Clex!

Subcommunity that expects more activity in the future. Topicwise can go into Natter easily enough.

Literary Buffistas: Don't Speak Latin in Front of the Books

Subcommunity, could go to Natter topicwise.

The Minearverse: YExpirationDateMV

Could go to Natter topicwise, not really an active community since Wonderfalls hasn't started up.

Due South: Mountie Fetishists Anon!

Subcommunity, could go to Natter topicwise.

Spoilage Lite: Angel

I don't read this, so I can't comment. I personally - and I speak as someone who generally likes a spoilerfree policy for the main threads - would have no objection to making episode titles non-spoilery, but that's me.

The Quotable Firefly: Oh, my God, I am a hack...

Frankly, I think this can go. Actually, I think all the Quotables threads could go once we finish the deathmatches. There's no reason we can't just squee about fun quotes in the regular topics.

The Jossverse in Other Media

This has functionally become the comics topic, right? It seems to have a subcommunity, though again, the topic could go to Natter.

Farscape 1: Fetch the Comfy Chair

Subcommunity, topic could go to Natter.

F2F Planning

I think this could go for now and be reopened for next year's big F2F. Smaller-scale stuff could go to Natter easily enough. (Well, actually, I'd suspect it'd end up going to Bitches.)

Sang Sacre 1: It's a Blood, Blood, Blood, Blood World

I think this can go. It hasn't been used in a long time, has it?

LotR - The Two Towers: "Dude, Where's my Precious?"

RotK is going to get a lot of discussion when it comes out, so if we fold this into Movies - or even moreso if we dumped Movies and folded it all into Natter - some people would have to grit their teeth. I suspect closing the thread would reduce traffic on the topic to some extent.

Of those, the ones I'd personally mourn the loss of particularly are Due South, Farscape, and LotR, but I'd live. (Well, Quotables if we never finished the deathmatch.)

Anyway, just... thoughts. My POV. Throwing it out there.

I suppose we could go to a poll-based system, the way we used to vote for thread titles, though. Admittedly that'd reduce the ability to do fun yelling.

I think (and could be wrong) that when Hec did deathmatches a few years ago, he put up more than one pair at a time, which reduced the sheer volume of posts while still allowing for yelling. Am I hallucinating again?

4. Close and archive the Previously thread. A conccurrent discussion current season and syndications will be welcome in the Angel thread. Also leaving the Buffy thread to continue discussing all of Buffy.

Besides the point Jon's points about it, one of the reasons we separated the Previously threads from the main Buffy thread was so that UnAmericans could take part in the discussions of the old episodes. They won't be able to do that if it's folded into Angel.