I have read as many posts as there are stars in the sky. I have read nothing that would work to any degree better or worse than the set-up we have now, if people would use the Spoiler Light thread more efectively, preferably without the white font. That way, those who only want to know the casting spoilers and hypothesize about the rest could go there, the hardcore can stay in hardcore, and the virgins can stay in NAFDA. If this means there's only two people chatting in the Angel thread, then there's only two people chatting in the Angel thread.

I can't help but feel that this whole, monolithic, bureucratic and sometimes ill-tempered discussion has less to do with spoilers and everything to do with people wanting everybody to be talking about the show in the same thread. Which, at this point, I don't believe is doable.

Love you all. Honestly. My heart is brimming with love. And when it comes to a vote, I fully intend to abstain, because I honestly don't care how it all turns out, but for the life of me, I can't see how this dicussion has gotten so... out of hand.

I've hit Elena and Kristen's highlights, and put them in a post for Jim and all in Press.

When does this go to a vote?

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus. Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

if people would use the Spoiler Light thread more efectively, preferably without the white font. That way, those who only want to know the casting spoilers and hypothesize about the rest could go there, the hardcore can stay in hardcore, and the virgins can stay in NAFDA. If this means there's only two people chatting in the Angel thread, then there's only two people chatting in the Angel thread.

But it is a question of how the boards are used and respected. I know one casting spoiler and I don't think there is any way besides serious determination that I, personally, don't have to avoid it. But I want to remain as spoiler-free as I can this season for Angel.

And I won't probably vote cause this isn't a thread I have been in enough to feel comfortable doing that, but my .02 for the reading...

Cass, if you hang out at the show threads, the NAFTA threads, the spoiler threads, or really any others, you're welcome to cast your vote. You don't have to jump into this discussion to have input - that's part of why we established voting in the first place.

Thanks brenda but I only delurked after this season of Angel ended so it is really that I haven't been in the Angel thread long enough to feel right voting.

New name for a Bitches or Natter thread (so far in B'cy as far as I have seen) and I am there...

The spoiler vs. nearly common knowledge and where to post, NSM yet...

t off-topic love your tag: "I am gonna catch that bastard or my name isn't--FUCK!" for posterity... t move along, only topical discussions here...

So far I am just watching how this plays out...

I said how I felt and also that being very new, that is about as far as I feel comfortable going on a policy change... But thanks... Like it here...

I agree with Victor.

I would also like to point out how I feel that not discussing the BCS is detrimental to discussion on the whole board.

1. As far as I can tell, everyone currently posting in this thread knows BCS.

2. Once you know BCS it is hard to make any speculation on next season without including that, therefore almost no discussion can take place in the Angel thread.

3. If you are a person who does not want to be further spoiled, there is no place for you to talk about Angel at all.

Personally, I made the decision to say fuck it and get spoiled so I had somewhere to talk about the show, but not everyone wants to do that. Also, as is pointed out, the Spoiler thread is a culture, and it is not really a culture in which I fit.

Perhaps a compromise would be (as others have suggested

1. Repurpose Buffy, Spoilers Lite to be talk for those spoiled about BCS

2. Use Angel, spoilers Lite for other casting news

3. Resolve that talking about actor's other projects is not a spoiler unless specifically phrased as such,

Sophia, that looks good.

Do you mean discuss BCS in spoilage lite? Or do you mean stuff that wouldn't be covered in officialstuffwhatKristensaid?

Right now I mean to keep the NAFDA threads as they are, except with the cavat that actor's projects can be discussed, and make the Spoilers Lite into viable threads where people could discuss BCS (in one) and Other News (like Kristens news) in the other.

That way no one is disenfranchised (I don't think).

I think the anger is coming from a sense that people don't have a place to talk. Regardless of who is spoiled or not, it seems no matter what we do, someone is dsenfranchised. This is just a combo of ideas I've seen bandied about that I think will give everyone a place to talk. Perhaps it will make no one ecstatic, but it will make no one really, really unhappy. We are here to talk, and right now little talking re: Angel is happening.

I just want everyone to be happy-- or the least number of people to be unhappy.