And if the spoiler policy broadens to include the website it would be more than two months.

Sean, it's not just the show thread we'd have to stay out of.

I'm still interested (and if I missed it, I apologize), to know why we couldn't make this show thread specific. Angel news is okay in the Angel thread, but not in Wonderfalls, Bitches or the Fic threads. I want to know that from people like Plei, etc. I want to know it from ita. I want to know it from Trudy and Elena.

We, Buffistas, are crafting the proposal. Why can't we do it?

Sean, it's not just the show thread we'd have to stay out of.

Um, most people have agreed we can limit it to show specific threads, so this is getting to be a non-issue.

And it's not just three big hours a week.

So you're saying that your time of self-imposed exile is more important than mine?

Angel news is okay in the Angel thread, but not in Wonderfalls, Bitches or the Fic threads. I want to know that from people like Plei, etc.

In the fic thread, it would pretty much mean a lot of people who consider the BCS not a spoiler wouldn't be posting their fic if the BCS is involved, but, as I don't write the BCS much anymore, it's not a big for me. However, I dislike, as mentioned, making some NAFDA less FD than others, and always have, even when we did it in FF and the show threads.

The one other thing I'd like clarified if possible is whether there's any restriction on when the casting change occurs. For instance, the spoilers I'm currently aware of are all things that will be readily apparent (in the credits if nowhere else) as of the first episode. If a casting change is announced that says that one of the regulars is leaving mid-season, I consider that a whole other level of spoiliness, and it's the kind of thing that really would affect my enjoyment of the show.

That said, I am strongly in favor of Kristen's idea for where the info should come from. I think confusion and arguments could easily result from some of the other suggestions.

Since Jim isn't around, can we possibly use Elena's post as a basis for some suggestions or recommendations for him when he returns? I don't want him to have to wade through all the talk, but I also don't want to lose sight of some of the things we've come to some accord on.

The one other thing I'd like clarified if possible is whether there's any restriction on when the casting change occurs.

This has been something almost everyone agreed on early on, before things got heated.

Giles not a regular, JAR and AA added, okay.

MB, SG, and GQ leaving, or AndyH added, not okay.

This would, based on most people's statements of support ONLY apply to between-seasons changes where the information comes from where Kristen said it should.

Jim, when come back, bring Advil. Also, since there have been about 1000 posts since your departure, I’d like to sum up and suggest that you consider rewording your proposal as follows:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus. Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

You're right, Plei. I just wanted to make sure, if we are going to give Jim some sort of synopsis to work from, that it was in there.

And if the spoiler policy broadens to include the website it would be more than two months.

Not really. The show premiers in 2 months. Or, 2 months and 2 weeks, something like that.

OK, I just caught up on 500+ posts, then I had this really great post, but then the internet ate it.

I would like to add, so it's on record, that I really did (and do)appreciate the cross-show whitefonting. I did not have an issue of tape delay. I (and many other Buffistas) had an issue of actual broadcast delay due to sporting events. I really appreciated the courtesy. I also appreciated the decision to stop white-fonting after a couple of week of air date so that it could free-up discussion.

If such courtesy had not existed, I simply would have unsubscribed from both threads until my air date. But I thank you all for the courtesy.

About 60 posts back, Cindy posted a helpful description:

the average poster, who is neither as spoiler houndish as say Plei, nor a spoiler virgin like you, and think how that person must feel about having to go into spoilers or spoilers lite and just to talk about stuff that they consider news, and that they consider it news is in part, because it's every bit as official as a televised promo

If this is a true and accurate definition of "the average poster" (and I know is describes me), then I believe a negative (as opposed to affirmative) resolution to this proposal would be detrimental to the board as whole. If "average" means "greatest number", then most people on the board would be frustrated because the needs of the few would be the decided course.

Of course, if the issue is brought to a vote, and the majority decides to keep things as they are, then the "average poster[s]" cannot complain. This is why I feel the issue should not be tabled or closed and should be brought to a vote.

Just my $.02.