So what you're saying is you want three choices on a preferential ballot, but people only get to rank their first and second choices?
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victor infante - Mar 22, 2003 9:09:59 pm PST #248 of 10289
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Hil R. - Mar 22, 2003 9:10:10 pm PST #249 of 10289
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So what you're saying is you want three choices on a preferential ballot, but people only get to rank their first and second choices?
Well, ranking the first two make the third choice obvious. (For the record, I'm fine with this proposal, or with 6 and 3, or with 6 and 4.)
Jessica - Mar 22, 2003 9:14:05 pm PST #250 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
Well, ranking the first two make the third choice obvious.
Right. All I'm saying is that what Gar described isn't an alternative to a preferential ballot -- it is one.
Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2003 9:14:09 pm PST #251 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
But they are not ranking. They are simply saying in advance who they would vote for in a runoff in case their preference lost. The effect is the same as preferential votig, but then again the effect of preferential voting is the same as a runoff.
Jessica - Mar 22, 2003 9:15:26 pm PST #252 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
But they are not ranking.
Yes they are. They're picking a first and a second choice, only with overcomplicated wording. How is that not ranking?
Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2003 9:16:13 pm PST #253 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I'm not going to quibble but if it is preferential voting it is not mathy preferential voting no ranking. You say who you want to vote for, and you say who you like if your preference loses. (And you don't have to choose anyone.) So if it is preferential voting, it is preferential voting without the math, and completely clear what you are doing.
Jessica - Mar 22, 2003 9:19:51 pm PST #254 of 10289
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
For the person counting the ballots, the math is identical to a preferential ballot. The person voting doesn't have to do any math in either situation.
Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2003 9:22:17 pm PST #255 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
:The thing about the "overcomplicate wording" is that it makes explainations un-needed. People said they have trouble mentally translating rankings into a run-off. I don't understand it, but I believe them. So this step by step thing makes it absolutely clear how each choice affects the outcome. I'm sure the wording can be improved,but by dividing it into two choices, no one has questions about how the ballots are counted. I have nothing agains regular preferential voting - I just think this may be easier on the highly math and complexity resistant.
Wolfram - Mar 22, 2003 9:25:06 pm PST #256 of 10289
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We can see right through that nefarious scheme, Gar. Begone evil, easily-understood, wannabe preferential ballot. Begone for all our sakes.
Seriously, didn't we vote that preferential ballots or something should be used for multi-choice votes. Why are we so gung-ho on narrowing this down to two choices?
Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2003 9:25:10 pm PST #257 of 10289
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Jess you are right - there is no difference for the person counting. The diference is iin whether the person voting can follow how their choice and how others choices are counted. We had people screaming in agony because they could not figure out for certain how preferential votes are counted, and could not double check the count if they used such a ballot. This (with improved wording of course) would avoid that problem