Also, do commericals on the network count? This is just promos that appear on the show the night it airs, correct?

It is my understanding that commercials that air count.

I understand your desire to be unspoiled, Trudy, but you don't seem to get that just as you would leave the thread to avoid the castings, others have left the thread in order to have discussions. That doesn't seem to affect you in the same way your leaving does affect me. Have you not thought about it, or does it not matter as much?

Allyson, I'd love it if everyone could stay in the same thread to have a spirited discussion. But if I have to leave a NAFDA thread to avoid spoilers, I have nowhere to go to discuss.

Sure, I can go to Spoilers to discuss casting, but I'm also going to suffer sides, which is stuff I don't want to know.

I'm afraid I don't know what 'suffer sides' means.

(edit - oh, do you mean you'll be spoiled for stuff you don't already know? Because that's the exact spot that the mostly and/or entirely unspoiled will be in if these casting discussion are discussed freely in NAFDA threads. Except we have no safe place to retreat to.)

We are asking for a policy decision to be made according to the rules as we understand them.

Uh, no. That's not even close to what happened. Nobody walked into Bureau last night and "asked for a poilcy decision to be made."

Trudy came in and demanded that Lightbulbs be closed.

I was not around to object to that, and I would have.

Also, do commericals on the network count? This is just promos that appear on the show the night it airs, correct?

Nope, commercials on the network are fair game.

Since you've been looking stuff up, brenda, can you answer my musical question?

Haven't gotten there yet, but your recollection jibes with mine. I'm pretty sure we knew (and began discussing) sometime in the spring of that year, if not earlier.

brenda, thanks for that clarification earlier. I appreciate it.

I don't think the current conversation is going anywhere useful at all, so I'm going back to cleaning out the back room.

I see three basic positions represented:

1) We want to discuss the elephant. We feel previous elephants have been discussed, that this exception to the stated policy has precedence. Please, please, please let us discuss the elephant in the main thread.

2) The spoiler-phobes have gotten out of control. We're afraid to post anymore. We want the website and offical ME press releases considered non-spoilery.

3) We enjoy watching the show unfold. We like the policy the way it is, the less we know the better. We'd prefer if you'd whitefont questionable matters but we don't think it should be policy.

There is a fourth position that has been referenced but I don't see represented at all which is: Don't tell us any thing about any actor past, present or future who may be on the show.

You know, saying that Leonard Nimoy will not be on AtS is not a spoiler. Saying that he will be is. Saying that AA will be returning is not a spoiler (because, IMO, status quo is the expected);

So what you're saying is, the Spoilerfree determine what is and isn't a spoiler, and you'll just let the rest of us know?

"Hey everyone, I heard that Christian Kane will not be returning, and since I'm spoiled, and I heard from the other 14 people who are spoilerfree that they know it, we can discuss that."

Not trying to be hyperbolic, I'm trying to find where this line is, who decides that line, and whether or not that line increases or decreases the spirit of the thread.

Edited for grammar, which will henceforth be known as, "EFG"

Sean, the lead-up conversation was in lightbulbs. The proposal was in bureaucracy. That's the way it works.

A couple of questions to clarify terms:

1. When I refer to the BCS, I'm referring to one specific actor, and not to the entire suite of possible change(s) to the AtS main cast. Is this also how other people are using it?

2. My impression is that anti-spoiler refers to discussing the plans of actors who have not ever been in the AtS credits, but theoretically could--AtS recurring characters, and BtVS main and recurring characters. Is this correct?

3. If my understanding of the above is correct, how do the people who would be OK with a compromise allowing us to discuss the BCS in the Angel thread feel about including other possible additions/deletions to the main cast in that compromise?

I don't see represented at all which is: Don't tell us any thing about any actor past, present or future who may be on the show.

That's perceived climate.