(That would be - Let's find common ground)

Those were very articulate and well-reasoned posts, Cindy.

But I am now laughing my ass off at "Let's find a commo..."

Yay - laughter!!!

eta..

And now that I made it shorter, it's truncated more, and we have "Let's fin"

Could be dance, maybe?

Thank you, Cindy.

Nutty is the voice of reason.

I am?? Jilli, my sistah!

Common ground can be found, on the elephant issue. But the "anti-spoiler" thing strikes me as too much policy drift to bear without a corrective in the other direction.

Common ground can be found, on the elephant issue. But the "anti-spoiler" thing strikes me as too much policy drift to bear without a corrective in the other direction.

Meaning what and which kind of anti-spoiler, Nutty?

From now on, I'm going to feel free to talk about all actors non-ME projects. I'll say NB's series wasn't picked up and I wish he'd be on Angel, even though he's said he doesn't fit. I'll say Alyson is doing American Wedding, but I hope it doesn't prevent her from showing her face on Angel. I'll say I hope SMG comes around and does a spot on Angel. I think the less-averse can take back some of the drift by themselves.

Along with confining the news of cast additions to the NAFDA show thread in question, our treatment of the news that people have departed from a cast during the off-season is a place where I am hoping to we can find common ground. Can't we agree to confine those comments to the NAFDA thread of the cast change in question? Can't we agree we won't mention it in the Bitch, or Bitchy Fic, or BtVS or Firefly threads, if it is announced over the summer that DB has left Angel? Is that (sincerely) is that still too much drift? It's not for me, but I understand YdriftMV.

(typo edit)

I think actually we pass Jims original proposal with this change - that it be for NAFTA only. After all Natter has always been an UnAmerican safe zone. There is no reason Bitches and such can't be extreme-spoilerphobe safe threads. After all it is not being able to discuss what I think of as non-spoilers in NAFTA show threads that drive me nuts. I don't mind more rigid spoiler standards in NAFTA non-show threads becasue there is seldom discussion where bringing that sort of thing up would make a useful contribution.

Gar - Bitches and Bitchy fic are designated NAFDA threads. And aside from that, say we one day have a NAFDA thread for both Angel and a still-active show? Let's call it Wonderfalls.

Can't it be show-news-thread specific? I get that someone might not care about getting spoiled for Angel, but would want to stay pure for Wonderfalls?

Cindy, you've hit my understanding of "anti-spoiler" on the head. An anti-spoiler as I understand it is facts external to the show-reality or production-reality of [show in question], which allow one to deduce that something is not going to happen on [show in question].

Because, if we upheld anti-spoilers as a form of spoiler, it would be not-cool to talk about, say, if an actor died! I want to be able to talk about it if an actor dies, and not have to say "But this in no way obviates his possible return to Spiffy the Wonder Dog for next season."

External reality happens. External reality sometimes gets in the way of pure show-reality. We're all going to have to live with that, and by "live" I mean "not leap away from like it's a hot griddle".

Yes I understand that Bitches and Bitchy fic are NAFDA zones. I"m not suggesting they stop being such. I'm suggesting that we might live with them continuing to be NAFTA zones but having stricter standards than NAFTA show threads - just as a compromise. I mean I'm personally find with the orginal proposal possibly with some minor language changes.

Put in this way: how often do you want to discuss the kind of the stuff Jim current proposal allows in Bitches or Bitchy fic as opposed to the show threads?