AB's unchanging status was immaterial.
Angel is still on Angel! He's still a lead!-- immaterial
I'll be fine. I'll be your bounty, Jubal Early. And I'll just fade away.
River ,'Objects In Space'
Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 2:15:04 pm PDT #2069 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Katie M - Jul 25, 2003 2:15:33 pm PDT #2070 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
Question - if they had announced it during the summer, that MB would be leaving partway through the season, would that count as a spoiler under the new proposal?
No, I don't think so.
brenda m - Jul 25, 2003 2:16:49 pm PDT #2071 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Quite frankly, no matter what our spoiler policy, there's nothing to prevent someone coming into even the Ultra Pure Spoiler Virgin thread and posting all over that place about how Orlando Bloom will be leaving the cast of AtS next season, and spoiling the crap out of you.
Oh, well, in that case why have a spoiler policy at all?
Trudy, and I, and some others, are asking that the spoiler rules as they currently stand be respected. That's all. It's not satisfactory for some people, I know, and I hope we can find a way to resolve this. But right now we have a clear policy. The fact that it was violated in the past without a hubbub doesn't mean it wasn't there, or that the fact that some of us are now asking that it be respected should be invalid.
At the root, my problem is this: Spoiled and unspoiled are very different ways of coming at the show. A restrictive spoiler policy means that certain topics are excluded from the threads. A looser policy means that certain people are excluded from the threads, and I want us to be very careful before we go there.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 2:16:56 pm PDT #2072 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Doesn't sound confusing to me. Major casting has been defined as folks listed in the title credits, correct? Not confusing.
What is confusing is that SOME things from the website are ok and SOME things aren't.
This is less clear than our current long standing policy where ALL things aired are OK and ALL things aired are not.
Jessica - Jul 25, 2003 2:18:37 pm PDT #2073 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
ASH's semi-departure -- not a spoiler.
AB and JAR being added to the cast -- not spoilers.
This year, everything's a spoiler. Nothing official about our spoiler policy changed, so I want to know what did.
Trudy Booth - Jul 25, 2003 2:21:46 pm PDT #2074 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
The fact that there weren't loud objections doesn't mean they weren't spoilers.
Sean K - Jul 25, 2003 2:26:46 pm PDT #2075 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Nope. I just want a thread that continues the "show or promo" policy we've had all along.
And all we're saying is that including print and radio ads is in keeping with the spirit of that - effectively a semantic change.
Expanding the definition of "on air promo" doesn't even allow us to talk about all of the various casting changes to Angel this year.
Technically, it allows us to talk about one of them.
It's not throwing the doors open.
Burrell - Jul 25, 2003 2:27:55 pm PDT #2076 of 10289
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
You left out Katie's interpretation.
Trudy didn't cite Katie's interpretation. I'll admit I disagree with Katie's interpretation (because I said so, and explained precisely why), but that wasn't the issue in the sections Trudy quoted.
The disagreement is that one of you includes the website and one of you does not.
In which case I'm right because I am referring directly to Jim's text. :-)
As it stands now, a medium is either kosher or not.
Ah, okay, if kosher law is to be our model, then I think everything should be spoilerfonted until the last episode airs in Austrailia. Or maybe that's just my issue with the two sets of dishes, etc.
§ ita § - Jul 25, 2003 2:29:31 pm PDT #2077 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But if it were merely effectively a semantic change, Sean, it wouldn't add any topics to the menu at all.
For Trudy (or Liese or Elena or unnamedlurker), one spoiler is one too many. And when the next one makes the new criteria, then it's two spoilers too many.
In, as currently proposed, all NAFDA threads.
Sophia Brooks - Jul 25, 2003 2:31:34 pm PDT #2078 of 10289
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
See, I would like to continue the same policy as before, too. I just feel that for some reason, this year, everything is a spoiler as Jessica said.
Personally I am fine if we don't discuss Big Casting Spoiler.
I would just like to feel that I wouldn't be jumped on or deleted if I mention that Iyari Limon is going to be added to the cast of Scrubs or something. I think it may be the end of Buffy-- we don't know what to do about what we know about the futures of people on a show that has ended, but is connected to a show that is still on.
It is like, if we were a board about Happy Days, and it was cancelled, could we not talk about a future project of Ron Howard because he is someone who might guest star on Mork & Mindy?
I realize this really has nothing to do with the proposal, but I think it might be where a lot of the resentment is coming from.