I wish well publicized changes to the main cast could not be considered spoilers because I honestly do not see how they could ruin show enjoyment since i t will be out soon even according to current spoiler rules anyway. It's going waaaay too far to me.

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Some of us have explained how it does change/ruin/diminish our enjoyment of the show. That is a fact, it does. It just does in the same why that for you it just doesn't.

And if it's going to be out soon according to the current spoiler rules anyway, why are we doing this again?

Seriously - how long a wait is this going to end up being for those in the know?

Sean was saying that casting news changes all the time at the last minutes. What if that happens here?

Well, for one, it seems unlikely, because the One Big One in particular has already been publicised in WB promo materials. They've already released posters, which to me (and possibly me alone) seems equivalent to an aired promo.

But for two, if this one changes at the last minute, this news that people have already been upset over was nothing to be upset over.

Continuing with my thoughts on this matter. I will be fine with whatever is decided because I am not passionate one way or the other on the changes being discussed.

I like the 2/3 notion a lot. IMO if the network is promoting and Joss is freely discussing a casting issue then the pleasure (or dread) of anticipation outweighs the desire for possible HSQ. (for me)

Perhaps the Lite thread can be loosened up a little. Everything being whitefonted seems odd in a thread that was created to discuss such matters. It would be nice to be able to speculate on how the creative staff is going to write around DB shaving his head to play the goody two shoes lost twin of Lex. There really is no place to discuss current, former, or future ME players’ outside projects except in hard core spoilers now. I would enjoy such discussions as I would probably be unaware of these projects otherwise.

Um. When is it not a spoiler? Seriously, what do you mean?

To clarify: when the promo airs, or if this motion passes, I will talk about it.

Here's another question... You write a fic that has either or both of the casting 'spoilers' in it. Do you put a spoiler warning on it when you send it to the lists?

It depends on the list. Seriously. They all have their own rules. I mean, my author's notes will mention it mainly as a context guideline. It also depends on the story. I see plenty of things with spoilers come through lists with no warning, which is occasionally amusing, but as most of what I write these days is AU, it hasn't come up for a while.

Generally, I only send fic with major spoilers to Silverlake, and in that case, it's labelled "spoiler/speculation based"

That's neither here nor there, however, as that's not here.

This discussion pertains to this space, not to the rules of the various lists.

As for what I propose to do about it, *I* simply plan to support the current proposal, and vote yes on it.

But for two, if this one changes at the last minute, this news that people have already been upset over was nothing to be upset over.

Yeah - and those that are upset over not being able to talk about it will also have no reason to be upset...

They've already released posters

Where? To whom?

Serious question - because if this truly is common knowledge then it's a moot point. SMG coming back after season 5 really was common knowledge. SMG leaving at the end of season 7 was common knowledge. Is this? Can anyone please try to answer this for me?

And if it's going to be out soon according to the current spoiler rules anyway, why are we doing this again?

Because at this point, we have more than two months before the season opener.

We could have a promo tomorrow, or we could have it a month before the show. A month before the show means another month and a half of this, which is really rather a long time in online time, even if it's soon in real time.

To clarify: when the promo airs, or if this motion passes, I will talk about it.

Right, and when the promo airs it's fine to talk about it.

That's neither here nor there, however, as that's not here.

This discussion pertains to this space, not to the rules of the various lists.

I was just curious.

And if it's going to be out soon according to the current spoiler rules anyway, why are we doing this again?

Why wait? This is a discussion board some of us would like to discuss now. It sure would have been nice for summertime filler.

But I get that they ruin things for you I do care about the enjoyment of the Everything-is-a-spoiler Buffistas, that's why I rarely post in the show topics and that's why I'm waffling on this new proposal now.

Because at this point, we have more than two months before the season opener.

And, once again, what else is there to talk about in the show thread for the next 2 months?