It really is a compromise, drawn straight down the middle between extreme spoiler phope and extreme ho.

So spoiler-hos are still apparently limited in their discussion and phobes are exposed to information they don't want.

ita, thanks for pointing that out. I've edited where I can but one bit I just don't know how to say without at least touching on a certain topic. Whitefont there ok?

So spoiler-hos are still apparently limited in their discussion and phobes are exposed to information they don't want.

Speaking as a part-time ho (I make out with them, but I rarely go all the way), I don't feel limited by this rule at all -- I understand that guest stars and plot details are considered spoilers by most of this board, and I can discuss them in Spoilers or Spoilage Lite (or not, as I choose). The proposal just seems like a measure of sanity, and will, as Jess and Plei pointed out, return our former status quo.

What I'm still confused about it why it's so urgent to move discussion of casting changes, such as it is, to the main threads right now when promos should be appearing in a month's time, more or less.

I think we're dealing with this now so that if something comes up remotely like this - say Tim's show is a hit (yes, plesase) or there's a Buffy spinoff, or when the Firefly movie starts filming without XYZ actor, this has already been settled and we don't have to go through this again.

Also, what Gar said, as he said it most recently and succinctily.

Just FTR, Daniel's original post that got deleted accidentally included some statements that went beyond just talking about the actor's new project. And the way the article described the project, through no fault of Daniel's, really did give the impression that it was a series, not a one-off.

Yes, but the "some statements that went beyond" was that an actor wasn't an Angel series regular. When did anti-spoilage rise to this level of protection? Why? How?

Trudy, don't read the whitefont.

Cindy: Because there are two main possibilities for Cordelia's fate next season; either she recovers from her coma and continues on as a regular, or she doesn't and she's off the show. The information that CC is not a regular on Angel answers that question - spoils the viewer for which of those outcomes is going to happen. Knowing that CC is not a regular inherently gives the information that Cordelia is not going to be appearing regularly on the show, which is a spoiler.

Does that make sense?

Whitefonted response to Katie:

But she could wake up and appear in multiple episodes next season without being a regular. Tara was never a regular; neither was Lilah, or Giles in Buffy's last two seasons. Admittedly, the *most* likely thing, based on CC's personal issues and her other commitments, is that she'll stay in her coma indefinitely -- but I don't think that can be inferred simply by knowing she's not in the opening credits last year.

Yes, but the "some statements that went beyond" was that an actor wasn't an Angel series regular. When did anti-spoilage rise to this level of protection? Why? How?

Cindy, the news came as a massive shock to me, and changes the entire complextion of the show for me. I didn't want to hear the news, and I can't unhear it.

Edit - and Katie explains it for me, much better than I could have. It spoiled me, Lyra. It did. Just as much as having your speculations confirmed or denied would spoil me.

I don't understand where all the anger is coming from. I really don't. Could someone explain to me why it's a problem to not openly discuss the issue(s) until they meet our previously agreed upon definition of non-spoiler?

Those are the two extremes, Katie. They do not represent the full spectrum of possibility.

AB wasn't a regular on BtVS, was still in every episode of S6 (until Tara died). MB was a regular in S5, and he left halfway through the season.

Cast regulars can be left out of episodes (Spike, The Body; Xander, CwDP). Recurring characters can be in all 22. The only thing you can determine from a cast member's status as regular vs recurring is whether or not they're getting paid for the episodes they're not in.

I'm going to serial post instead of editing again.

Somewhere in the proposal could we determine if the discussion - if declared an open subject - is going to remain in the Angel thread? Because if it moves to Bitches or Buffy (which I assume we're keeping open for a while longer) then I'll have to unsubscribe from those threads, too. And I'd hate to do that.

Those are the two extremes, Katie. They do not represent the full spectrum of possibility.

Jess, I can't speak for everyone, but I can tell you that I think exactly what Katie whitefonted. And it's the most likely explanation.