'Trash'
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
So after Sept. 20,2003, it's fair game unless it was voted on, in which case its moratorium is 6 months from the date it was voted on.
But there are things that aren't fair game, right? Like closing Atlantic Canadians or changing the name of Buffistas>
But there are things that aren't fair game, right? Like closing Atlantic Canadians or changing the name of Buffistas>
I think that's a separate issue from the grandpappy question since, for one thing, neither of those things came up in the time we're talking about. Or at all, really.
I am unclear on one point:
Would all decisions be up for revisitation or only those that were decided in the negative? As an example, the creation of the Movie thread was discussed, and was decided in the affirmative. The creation of a War thread was discussed and decided in the negative.
I know there were some people (no, I can't remember who) who were opposed to the idea of the Movie thread and felt that its creation was unfair. Could they revisit this decision and get the thread deleted? Is an affirmative action, once taken, permanent?
Is an affirmative action, once taken, permanent?
I don't think so - I think once the "we're not going to talk about it for this length of time" period has passed, one could bring it up again.
Yeah. For example, I think voting to close the LotR thread would be legitimate to bring up, since we now have the movies thread.
Edit: NOT that I'm trying to start a conversation around that, just that it could happen.
But there are things that aren't fair game, right?
Right. Not part of this vote. This is a when question, not a what question.
Would all decisions be up for revisitation or only those that were decided in the negative?
This doesn't seem to me to be a part of what's being proposed right now. I mean, we should probably talk about it, but I don't think Betsy is required to address it in her proposal.
I am thinking yes, only things that were not changed, with a few exceptions. I.e., we are talking (though not yet proposing) the combination of redundant threads, but those redundancies exist because of how WX was structured; and we are in no wise discussing just deleting a thread, only combining them; and circumstances like the ending or cancellation of a show may call for a change in the threads.
The reason I am thinking yes is the scary possibility that every decision made is made only for 6 months, when it may be unmade all over again. There would be a lot of (a) clogging up our lives with "unmake the Cheese Butt thread!" proposals, and (b) the keeping of grudges, knowing a decision can be unmade easily, rather than learning to live with what's been done, and (c) nobody would know where we stand on any given issue, because our stand would be subject to change very easily. All of which make me want to say that a change (positive decision), once made, should be very hard to unmake, unless the circumstances really demand it.
All of which make me want to say that a change (positive decision), once made, should be very hard to unmake, unless the circumstances really demand it.
I very much agree with this. Unmaking a thread is worse than never having the thread at all, and the feelings of the posters who post in that thread need to be paramount. I think the people who post within the proposed thread to be unmade or merged, need to pretty much overwhelmingly consense that it's time to unmake or merge that thread. Which could happen. For example I think most people who have posted in the Buffy spoiler threads would agree that after Buffy's had it's final airing for the Unamericans, that the thread is unnecessary. Unless a subcommunity was dwelling in one of those threads, which would be a whole other factor.
Of course this proposal has nothing to do with all that. :)
Thanks Katie, Jesse, and Nutty. I went back and read Betsy's most version of the proposal, and it does say "all decisions". I should know now to trust the Buffistas to say exactly what they mean and that "all" really does mean "all".
Would all decisions be up for revisitation or only those that were decided in the negative?
This doesn't seem to me to be a part of what's being proposed right now. I mean, we should probably talk about it, but I don't think Betsy is required to address it in her proposal.
Um, if it's not addressed, then we just open ourselves to more discussions after the current one because we won't know what the moratorium applies to (assuming it passes). Personally, I'd say that everything, positive or negative, should be included.
Um, if it's not addressed, then we just open ourselves to more discussions after the current one because we won't know what the moratorium applies to (assuming it passes). Personally, I'd say that everything, positive or negative, should be included.
That's not so. We know the moratorium would apply to the same types of pre-vote decisions as post-vote decisions. In other words, whatever types of decisions the moratorium currently affects, it would affect pre-vote too.
I'm not belittling the distinction between positive and negative decisions, it's just not a discussion that needs to be decided for the current proposal.
ETA: On reread that came off a bit too know-it-allish. This is only my opinion. :)