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We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
I do see your point, DX et al, but I'm still not sure. Wasn't the whole point of voting to avoid the "bullshit consensus"? And isn't that more or less what we have here? (I'm not saying it is bullshit - just that most voices here have been arguing against so we're potentially determing that a decision has been made.)
If we do decide that we can withdraw proposals without a vote at this stage, then I'd definitely say that the moratorium should not be in effect.
I think it's different, brenda, because the decision (and the burden, sort of) is on the person who made the proposal. If DX wanted to take it through to a vote, he could do that, because the initial proposal got enough seconds.
I'm with Jon!
Hee!
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There is always going to be a backchannel as long as we each have email addresses and separate identities.
So when we become the Buffista Borg-- no more backchannel?
If we do decide that we can withdraw proposals without a vote at this stage, then I'd definitely say that the moratorium should not be in effect.
Is there anyone who disagrees with this?
Wasn't the whole point of voting to avoid the "bullshit consensus"? And isn't that more or less what we have here? (I'm not saying it is bullshit - just that most voices here have been arguing against so we're potentially determing that a decision has been made.)
The difference is that it is not the consensus of the moment that is imposing its will on the proposal, but rather that the advocate for the proposal is voluntarily withdrawing it, for whatever reason. Yes, in this case it would be because there appears to be overwhelming opposition, even if everyone hasn't had a chance to speak, but that consensus has not taken the decision out of my hands, which I think is what people were complaining about. I could still allow it to come to vote if I so desire. Richard Nixon would, he was a strong believer in the Silent Majority. :)
I, OTOH, have no such illusions.
So when we become the Buffista Borg-- no more backchannel?
www.buffistas.borg?
DX, I think what you could pull out right now is the phrase, "The lurkers agree with me!"
Ah the lurkers, a fickle bunch they are. They'll support you in their silence, and then stand by as you're torn asunder with nary a word in your favor. Put not your faith in lurkerdom for they have no faith in you.
It really would be funny if the whole "Buffistas who don't read the voting thread always vote 'yes'," thing were true...
Okay, maybe just to me...
It really would be funny if the whole "Buffistas who don't read the voting thread always vote 'yes'," thing were true...
Okay, maybe just to me...
No, not just to you...