I know some people had issues with the fact that the admins dealt with meiskie privately but I think that people are going to have to realize that as admins they are going to have private discussion about how to deal with situations.

I'm not remembering the situation this way. My only problem with the finale of the mieskie situation was that there was a conversation on this board about "backchannel" and "things" that were being done. It didn't even say what topic [mieskie] the conversation was about. Just that were backchannel admin things going on.

It made me feel very uncomfortable. So yes, people will need to understand that sometimes backchannel happens. People will also need to refrain from mentioning backchannel issues here unless they're ready to talk the whole thing out.

John wasn't one of those two posters I just mentioned, and he kept his admin duties and personal problems separate. He had nothing to do with the flak that someone is talking about.

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't remembering the whole story.

But again, none of this has to do with the actual proposal at hand.

But again, none of this has to do with the actual proposal at hand

I mostly agree with you, but since the proposal has to do with making some threads more "private" * , I think this conversation is somewhat related and useful.

[*though I don't think the proposal will do that]

My only problem with the finale of the mieskie situation was that there was a conversation on this board about "backchannel" and "things" that were being done. It didn't even say what topic [mieskie] the conversation was about. Just that were backchannel admin things going on.

I think I was one of the two that Wolfram mentions above, and this was exactly my issue. I had no problem with how the stompies handled things with MMMMMwhoever. Just "the first rule of backchannel blahblahblah."

So, is there a mechanism in place for a proposer to withdraw a proposal in the face of overwhelming opposition? or does it have to go to a vote if it's gotten its seconds and been discussed?

So, is there a mechanism in place for a proposer to withdraw a proposal in the face of overwhelming opposition? or does it have to go to a vote if it's gotten its seconds and been discussed?

I think the latter. The whole point of voting was making sure decisions weren't made just by whoever was in the thread -- if we only move to a vote on things we like, we really haven't changed anything.

But I would guess the final decision is DX's?

Yeah, we don't know what everyone thinks. It should just go to vote.

if we only move to a vote on things we like, we really haven't changed anything

I agree with your final point -- if DX doesn't want to go all the way with his proposal (since it's up to him to craft it precisely), there's no reason to go any further.

It's not a "we" thing, so much.

If we don't vote then we keep the "all things voted on pass rule" as valid. If we vote and it is defeated then NSM.

If we don't vote then we keep the "all things voted on pass rule" as valid

I don't think it's a rule, so much as a statistical observation.

Now, there's nothing formal down, but I wonder that if the proposer lost motivation -- would the discussion moratorium still come into action?