IMO, the biggest mistake we made in the mieskie sitch was not inviting him to Bureauracy at the start of the discussion about him. Open discussions are a good thing.

I agree with Jon here, and I think that's been lost in my posts.

My concern is how we'll handle suspended posters who, during their suspension, do things that warrant banning. And then, I'm mainly concerned if the person is less than stable (which I realize we can't discern).

I'm concerned because our admin. aren't going to act on their own, and did catch flak when they handled Anathema behind the scenes. Given what I've seen in the two prior situations (all of it: the in-fighting, the losing posters, the big gap between the 'ban-them-now' and the 'let's-bend-over-backwards' crowds, the finger-pointing at the admin.), I have less confidence in the process than I'd like. I lack confidence, because I think our method is great for most situations, but is likely to fail in extreme situations, which of course, is when we need it most.

You can put me down in the borrowing trouble column. I suppose this is something that will have to go in the wait-and-see pile. I'm frustrated that the last problem went on for so long, that it took some of us getting in the person's sights before the person was ousted. However, this isn't my proposal; it's not how I would have framed it; and I don't want to agitate for it as is.

For the record, I wasn't emailed by a banned Buffista, nor did I claim I was, but I have no desire to explain the situation or give it more attention.

I think the definite risks far outweigh any possible benefits.

And I think it is unBuffista-- by which I mean that our nature as a big, happy, welcoming group of geeky-warm mixed nuts who can and do go off on any old thing would be seriously inhibited if people couldn't step in as soon as they were moved to do so.

I think it is unBuffista

I still hate this term, for the record.

I don't like the idea of making threads locked for members only, I don't see what good it will do.

If we have to move an issue to voting and this thread isn't locked then people can read this. If the issue is mentioned in other threads then unregistered lurkers can read about it there and register and read.

I don't like delaying the registration process. I'm one of those people who would have never participated if it had taken a long time to register and participate. I'm just like that, there are plenty of places I've registered and posted once or twice and then never gone back. If there was some place where I had to jump through hoops to be able to post then I just wouldn't jump.

I know some people had issues with the fact that the admins dealt with meiskie privately but I think that people are going to have to realize that as admins they are going to have private discussion about how to deal with situations.

I'm not sure how else voice my objections except I agree with what other people have said. I don't see how locking threads will be any kind of help.

I know some people had issues with the fact that the admins dealt with meiskie privately but I think that people are going to have to realize that as admins they are going to have private discussion about how to deal with situations.

Maybe this isn't what people are talking about, but my impression was that John had a personal problem with mieskie that he was addressing one on one, and the fact that he was an admin was secondary. Am I completely misrepresenting this?

Anyway, none of this has to do with the actual proposal at hand, so I don't quite see the point of this whole conversation.

I thought that the problem was with the admins confronting "Anamthea" once there was proof he was meiskie.

And I had thought I'd seen somewhere mentioned earlier in this thread about making an admin thread as well as locking B'cracy.

Am I completely misrepresenting this?

We were presented with conclusive evidence that Schmoker = Mieskie, and approached Schmoker about it via private email, rather than bringing the evidence immediately before the entire board. I still think it was the right thing to do.

And I had thought I'd seen somewhere mentioned earlier in this thread about making an admin thread as well as locking B'cracy.

an Admin thread isn't necessary as we have a listserv.

I still think it was the right thing to do.

I do, too. Because bringing things before the entire board just leads to DAYS of kerfluffle.

And, in the mieskie/Schmoker case, he had clearly violated the terms of his suspension, for which there is a clear admin response. No need to drag the board into a discussion of whether or not the admins should do what we *already decided* should be done in such a case.

We were presented with conclusive evidence that Schmoker = Mieskie, and approached Schmoker about it via private email, rather than bringing the evidence immediately before the entire board. I still think it was the right thing to do.

Oh yeah. I agree with that, as long as y'all are comfortable with it.