Dude, I'm there to doblerize peeps. I'll answer mail, I'll give advice, be a friend. But DO NOT ask me specific Adminy Shit in private mail. I try to keep that separate, for reasons that are obvious to me.

As a stompie, your opinion is obviously paramount to how you'd like to be treated. But I'm suggesting that sometimes as a friend you need advice on Adminy Shit. It's not asking for an official stompie response - like hey Plei could you warn this asshole - it's more like, hey Plei is this something I should be bringing to the attention of the admins. I don't know if this makes any sense to you or not.

It treads a thin line. I'm okay with being asked "what should I do about X?", because I'm going to tell you "use the e-mail admins" link.

But I'm not going to make someone's judgement calls for them.

I feel bad that I went personal first, without even considering the admin link. I won't do that again--I'll try to remember not to do that again. I completely understand and agree with Plei (and probably other admins) that their email is not for admin stuff.

I do know the admins check the link--it is the admin email, right?--pretty often, whether they do it individually or in shifts, isn't my business. Just that it is checked. And so I think I can feel confident using the rant box to ask, "Is this something the admins need to know about?"

Which is what I'll do should a like occasion arise.

The stompies seem so adamant that they do not want to moderate at all that sometimes I even feel that is too much.

Just to clarify, the stompies have said, as has a pretty good cross-section of the community, that we don't want moderation in the sense of approving the content of each post. We've never said that we're unwilling to do our part to try to sort out conflicts, keep things running, spork obvious nasties, or anything else like that. And people should feel free to use the email admins link.

I would've done the same thing, Beverly. I tend to forget the existence of links I've never used, and until today I'd forgotten the Email Admins link was there, but I remember who the Stompies are, so I would've just emailed them personally in complete obliviousness that I was committing a faux pas. And I don't know if that's a case of me being my usual absentminded professor detail-fuzzy self, or if it means we need to have some kind of announcement clarifying how to handle these situations.

Hayden, I'm blushing. Or something.

we need to have some kind of announcement clarifying how to handle these situations.

I think this.

Most of us are quite friendly with peeps who are also and incidentally admins, and we forget the lines, that there are and should be lines, and that everyone should respect them.

To tell you the truth, that's what I always assumed that link was for. And I'm really pretty stunned to see that people don't feel they can use it, but maybe that means that some kind of clarification is needed.

I felt I could use it. I didn't think any action could come out of it. Which still begs the question, once it's used, in a situation like the one when Z moved from suspension to ban - are people going to feel comfortable speaking up on the board to say Ban Poster X who seems to be having life issues that might make Poster X more likely to bother me, if I speak up.

Most of us are quite friendly with peeps who are also and incidentally admins, and we forget the lines, that there are and should be lines, and that everyone should respect them.

That said, you know, don't feel afraid to email as a pal, looking for pal advice.

Don't want to scare anyone off. Worried I came on too strong back there.

You scared me.

That said, you know, don't feel afraid to email as a pal, looking for pal advice.

Exactly, otherwise the e-mail get forwarded directly to the admin list anyway.

And, going for the hat trick...

Just to clarify, the stompies have said, as has a pretty good cross-section of the community, that we don't want moderation in the sense of approving the content of each post. We've never said that we're unwilling to do our part to try to sort out conflicts, keep things running, spork obvious nasties, or anything else like that. And people should feel free to use the email admins link.

What amy said.