See, Vera? Dress yourself up; you get taken out somewhere fun.

Jayne ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - May 20, 2021 12:24:29 pm PDT #6612 of 30000
What is even happening?

That's exactly how I feel, Teppy. Like they're doubling down. The thing is, their double-down makes no sense.

They're saying he can't stay on Inflectra because he "had a reaction" (that's not really what this is -- it's an adverse effect that came on about 6 weeks post-infusion), and they're saying he can't go back on the Remicade, because he "had a reaction to Inflectra," but Inflectra, Avsola, and Renflexis are all effing infliximab biosimilars. I feel like I woke up in cuckoo land.

Also? I haven't even talked to BC/BS yet, so it's not like I had a chance to alienate them yet. And our GI is this young, sweet, brilliant Korean doctor, who is as polite and reasonable as the day is long. He's a saint, so I can't imagine he did. I have never seen him put a foot wrong.

In the letter I sent BC/BS yesterday (with *our* appeal, to which they still haven't responded), I was polite to the point of sweetness, and even worded it like they were already my allies, instead of my sworn enemies.

(They are SO MY SWORN ENEMIES!)


lisah - May 20, 2021 12:36:58 pm PDT #6613 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

This exactly the kind of story that makes me feel more sure than ever that I've got to get away from getting my paycheck from big health insurance. There's nothing I can do "from the inside" to make that broken system better.


Toddson - May 20, 2021 12:57:23 pm PDT #6614 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Some things should not be run as a business; health care is close to the top of the list.


Topic!Cindy - May 20, 2021 1:03:02 pm PDT #6615 of 30000
What is even happening?

That's it. Profit is not the appropriate motive for healthcare. Health is.

That said, if we had the European-style single payer plan I've dreamt of since I used to work at Mass General, I'd be going through something like this, too. The biosimilars are in much wider use in Europe, because they're less expensive. And most of the time, they're good enough.


Sheryl - May 20, 2021 3:43:02 pm PDT #6616 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

I'm sorry BC/BS is being so awful about C's meds, Cindy.


askye - May 20, 2021 4:36:26 pm PDT #6617 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

Cindy that is so infuriating and it's just... health insurance companies are the devil, I hate them.


askye - May 20, 2021 4:46:49 pm PDT #6618 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I have another update about Jay-it's good news. I don't know what happened but for almost 30 days he was pretty much unresponsive but now that he has shown improvement his improvement keeps making jumps. He can't sit up by himself but once he's had help getting in a sitting position he can stay in it.

He blew a kiss to his girlfriend.

He ate applesauce! So they are putting him on thickened liquids and thickened pureed foods. He still needs a feeding tube and he still has a trach but this is all really good news.

His girlfriend isn't going to be his son's legal guardian, the big issue is dealing with Jay's ex wife. Although contact with her will be limited- she violated her probation by getting a DUI with property damage and currently in jail. This is her 3rd DUI in 10 years so she's facing felony charges. Her last DUI was , I think Mom said 4 months ago. She was also driving with a revoked license.


Shir - May 21, 2021 5:03:43 am PDT #6619 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

askye, the news about Jay is great! msbelle, I'm glad that Mac texted back.

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Cindy, I'm lost for words. How cruel this seems to be. I am so sorry for this.

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All the normal Israeli and Palestinian people who just want to live their lives in peace and freedom with dignity are at the mercy of systems and people who want to retain and/or gain power.

I don't know what normal Israel or normal Palestinian means, but I hope that we've come to a more pragmatic point where it's clear that the options are either to live together, or continue to occasionally kill one another for whatever reasons. Each perspective has a range: living together does not mean that there will be peace and justice for all, and continue to occasionally kill one another does not mean genocide to either side. But I hope that the distinction between "we have to live together" and "there will never be peace here, might as well declare a war" will be clearer. Enough is enough.

(My sister's car was hit yesterday by a piece of what was probably an anti ballistic missile when she was driving back from her work at the hospital, after she stopped during a siren (if you're driving, you're supposed to stop the car, get out, lay on the road and cover your head for a few minutes). She's fine, but it was scary).


Laura - May 21, 2021 5:50:33 am PDT #6620 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Shir, how scary for your sister. It would be really nice if the powers that be decided killing each other wasn't the best plan.


Topic!Cindy - May 21, 2021 8:58:08 am PDT #6621 of 30000
What is even happening?

I don't know what normal Israel or normal Palestinian means

When I used it, I only meant everyday people. I apologize for my awkward wording, Shir. I am so glad your sister is okay. That is so frightening. I'm sorry she went through it. Was her car badly damaged?

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We received a spot of good news. The hospital called and said, regardless of if we hear on our appeal or the doctor's Letter of Medical Necessity, and regardless of what we hear, the hospital is going ahead with C's infusion on Monday (with Remicade — the original med). Having the infusion Monday is important (he has one every 8 weeks and was supposed to have one yesterday). It gives the hospital and us more time to fight without giving his Crohn's more time to flare.

We are not to sign any waiver for it (i.e. we don't have to agree to pay if the insurance denies the claim). The hospital will continue to fight this, and will take it to state government review if need be. We still haven't heard from our insurance company case manager and neither has the nurse who called this morning (she's the clinical access manager).

DH works for the hospital. He heard from his employee benefits manager, and she said they'll press it from their side too. That means we're approaching them from three angles: as a patient/insurance subscriber (us); as a doctor/hospital; as a business that purchases group insurance from the insurer.

Hopefully, the vasculitis (which seems to be resolving) will not recur when we resume Remicade (he never had this problem when he was on it), but there are no guarantees. We could only single out the new med as the new variable, but that isn't the same thing as knowing it is at fault.