I'll be fine. I'll be your bounty, Jubal Early. And I'll just fade away.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Mar 16, 2021 7:13:32 am PDT #4517 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

We have to decide by Friday if the kids will go back to school in person, 5 days as of March 31, or stay virtual, in a format still pretty vague but I *think* basically livestreaming from the classrooms where their classmates are. I have already flip-flopped on which choice I think is right 25 times. Both kids want to stay remote, but I don't think teenagers necessarily know what's best for them.

Oh hello other me. On the one hand, the CDC seems to think 5 days-a-week in person school is okay with our district's current vaccination rates. And I do want my kids out of the house before they become permanently welded to their desk chairs and forget how to people entirely. But UGGGGHHHHHH why risk anything if we don't have to? The school year only has three months left!


Calli - Mar 16, 2021 7:32:58 am PDT #4518 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Congrats, askye!

Yay hugs, Steph!

The university where I work was doing relatively well, COVID-wise. Then frats happened. Oh, well. I'm still working from home regardless, but a number of people who were working really hard to keep face to face learning a thing are kinda pissed. Can't blame 'em.


Steph L. - Mar 16, 2021 7:55:36 am PDT #4519 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Fuck YES, Ohio is expanding vaccine eligibility to people 40 years or older as of Friday! (Apparently people with cancer will also be eligible as of Friday, and my reaction was "They weren't already eligible? What the FUCK, Ohio?" Our vaccine system is so screwed up.)


Topic!Cindy - Mar 16, 2021 8:17:53 am PDT #4520 of 30000
What is even happening?

Congrats, askye!

Teppy, I was already glad you got pizza and dad-hugs (and that Mr. Risk has been vaccinated). Now you can get the vaccine? Woo hoo!

Flea, Jessica, and any other parents in this situation — I do not envy you. None of your choices are great. Whatever you choose, I know you both will do the best you can for your kids.

But UGGGGHHHHHH why risk anything if we don't have to? The school year only has three months left!

The above is what I keep thinking, when I hear reports on reopening schools by April. I think this year is a wash, even if they go back from April 'til June. Most kids of this generation are going to be six months to a year behind, academically, regardless of whether they return right now or in September. You can't make up 13 months in two. It's both horrible and yet okay, because they're largely in the same boat. "Behind," after all, just pertains to an artificially imposed schedule.

I think, if my kids weren't unduly burdened by depression, anxiety, or learning disabilities (or other serious problems stemming from remote learning), if I had to make this choice, I would keep them home until fall. I don't see them getting that much out of a return to school (that won't be lost over the summer anyhow), this late in the academic year. However, if staying home was too hard on them, and they were less likely to be contract severe Covid, or develop longterm effects from it, I might make another choice.

Admittedly, I'm writing from the perspective of a mother whose child's life was upended, and whose body was permanently damaged, by a chronic disease. Your concerns are going to be different than mine. Some things you can fix, address, or mitigate after the fact. Some things you can't.

It's got to be incredibly difficult to weigh how they're doing, the risks of returning versus remaining, and make that decision. Trust your gut. You know your kids better than anyone.

The university where I work was doing relatively well, COVID-wise. Then frats happened. Oh, well. I'm still working from home regardless, but a number of people who were working really hard to keep face to face learning a thing are kinda pissed. Can't blame 'em.

Calli, I'd be furious. If I were King of the College Forest, I'd bounce them all out on their youthful bottoms. I'm so glad you can work from home.


flea - Mar 16, 2021 8:47:44 am PDT #4521 of 30000
information libertarian

Ohio is allowing 16 year olds to be vaccinated as of March 29, which could be a big factor in sending Casper (17) back - if she goes it would be April 6 start date. But I think only one if the vaccines is approved for under 18 and I think it’s Pfizer (two doses, less available). Must check. (Edit: this is correct.)


Topic!Cindy - Mar 16, 2021 8:51:40 am PDT #4522 of 30000
What is even happening?

Flea, yes. It's Pfizer (2-shots) which is currently authorized for ages 16 and up

Moderna (2-shots) and the one-shot Johnson & Johnson for 18 and up. I saw something on the news this morning about Moderna testing the vaccine on younger people right now, too (under age 12). [link]


flea - Mar 16, 2021 9:22:27 am PDT #4523 of 30000
information libertarian

Moderna is running a 12-17 trial here in my city! We tried to sign up but they were full. Casper is 18 in August, and those 5 months probably don’t make much difference biologically, but oh well.


brenda m - Mar 16, 2021 9:22:59 am PDT #4524 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Unrelated to anything, we made the Tik Tok pasta that ate the internet last night and it was freaking delicious. The kids really know what they're about.


Steph L. - Mar 16, 2021 9:23:35 am PDT #4525 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

we made the Tik Tok pasta that ate the internet last night and it was freaking delicious.

The feta and tomato dealie? It looks really good!


brenda m - Mar 16, 2021 9:39:10 am PDT #4526 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It really is. And even though it's super easy it's also kind of fun to make. Recommended!