You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Jan 26, 2021 6:33:40 pm PST #2788 of 29994
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I am here to report that JZ made it safely to Reno without being eaten, nor having to eat anybody.

This is good news, and I look forward to the coming "did/did not shoot a man just to watch him die" updates.


-t - Jan 26, 2021 6:39:43 pm PST #2789 of 29994
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Five stars for JZ, she has exceeded the benchmark!

I’m going to say right now that if JZ shoots a man in Reno she will undoubtedly have a good reason


Jesse - Jan 26, 2021 7:05:54 pm PST #2790 of 29994
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am here to report that JZ made it safely to Reno without being eaten, nor having to eat anybody.

Phew!

This is good news, and I look forward to the coming "did/did not shoot a man just to watch him die" updates.

I loled.


Steph L. - Jan 26, 2021 7:11:16 pm PST #2791 of 29994
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

I am here to report that JZ made it safely to Reno without being eaten, nor having to eat anybody.

AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.


DavidS - Jan 26, 2021 7:17:32 pm PST #2792 of 29994
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

AS FAR AS YOU KNOW.

She's a vegetarian!

(Okay she eats seafood, but they're really stupid and I think we can all agree that shrimp are both delicious and idiots.)


DavidS - Jan 26, 2021 7:18:36 pm PST #2793 of 29994
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sidenote: Yes, I'm advocating that it's ethical to eat stupid things. If they're delicious.


dcp - Jan 26, 2021 7:36:27 pm PST #2794 of 29994
"I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam," -- Popeye

She's a vegetarian!

From "The Reluctant Cannibal" on the album "At the Drop of a Hat" by Flanders & Swann circa 1957:

"If the JuJu had meant us not to eat people, he wouldn't have made us of meat."

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Still funny more than 60 years later.


meara - Jan 26, 2021 8:33:50 pm PST #2795 of 29994

I’m going to say right now that if JZ shoots a man in Reno she will undoubtedly have a good reason

I mean, yeah, I feel like even if she snapped and killed a man, she’d have a reason. Why risk jail and/or damnation just to watch someone die, when there are so many folks out there who actually deserve it? I mean, I don’t know if any of them are in Reno, but probably?


brenda m - Jan 26, 2021 8:51:00 pm PST #2796 of 29994
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Very glad for JZ. I read a book about the Donner Party a few years ago and wow is it harrowing. I mean obviously, but just wow.

I completely agree, ND. I'm furious are asshole governor for threatening teachers if they refuse to go back way before it's possible they'll all be vaccinated.

Teachers in Chicago have been teaching OUTSIDE the past two weeks in protest of being forced to come back to in person. Sitting at tables on the sidewalk around their schools, teaching virtually with laptops and stuff, bundled up in blankets. I passed one while I was out walking and she told me parents had screamed and cursed at her.


DavidS - Jan 26, 2021 10:28:18 pm PST #2797 of 29994
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I completely agree, ND. I'm furious are asshole governor for threatening teachers if they refuse to go back way before it's possible they'll all be vaccinated.

Teachers in Chicago have been teaching OUTSIDE the past two weeks in protest of being forced to come back to in person. Sitting at tables on the sidewalk around their schools, teaching virtually with laptops and stuff, bundled up in blankets. I passed one while I was out walking and she told me parents had screamed and cursed at her.

I've been one of the biggest and earliest advocates for masks, distancing, lockdown and vaccinations. But I don't feel like teacher unions or school districts have been looking at the science.

All Public Health approaches are based on probabilistic models. They're not binary. It's not safe/unsafe.

So this insistence on all teachers and students being vaccinated is not the standard we should hold.

You pick a point of calculated risk, like..."Is this about the level of risk I take when I drive on the freeway?"

People die on the freeway every day. It is dangerous. Mostly though you can mitigate those risks.

I am NOT saying COVID is like the Flu. I had a friend die of Covid this month. My FiL died last year. I understand on a very personal level how deadly this is.

But you can re-open schools safely. NYC schools operated for two months this fall without being superspreader events. They were no more or less dangerous than their surrounding communities.

So consider that point. My local cafe has never closed. It's been an essential service. It has not been linked as a significant point of infection. My local Whole Foods has never closed. It has put in limits to people inside, insisted on mask protections and it has been safe. Nobody linked to getting it there. Amoeba Records has re-opened safely. My bookstores have re-opened safely.

Schools are different from bars and churches. You have a LOT of control on where people are sitting, when people move around, how many people are allowed in and who can talk when.

You can mitigate most of the risks. The private high schools in SF have safely re-opened in cohorts. No outbreaks reported.

It's doable. You can re-open the schools. Yes, you need to be vigilant about what's happening in the immediate community. But it is a manageable risk.

Look, I live in a neighborhood within a City that errs on the side of caution. I see people every day riding their bikes with masks on and I don't flag them down and say, "You know, I've looked at the summaries of Contact Tracer logs in Europe and literally NOBODY EVER has been infected by a passing bicyclist. Or Jogger. Or Pedestrian. I now want to explain to you the concept of Minimum Infective Doses and COVID and why that's not a form of transmission."

I don't pitch a bitch fit about every stupid place that has hand sanitizer when there are LITERALLY NO INSTANCES OF FOMITE TRANSMISSION IN ALL OF EUROPE'S CONTACT TRACING.

But schools can and have safely re-opened. Yes, there should be clear public health standards to trigger opening. Yes, there should be community standards that are flexible and move with local infection rates. No, you shouldn't spent a ton of energy on having the custodial staff washing the entire building down every day. Yes, you should all invest in improved HVAC systems, which is the key. No, don't blow your budget on hand sanitizer.

There is clear and measurable damage caused by schools being closed. And I don't just mean educationally. In Nevada the suicide rate among teens has tripled during the lockdown.

Look at the science. Know how the disease works. I don't feel like the teacher unions are doing that. Nor the districts.