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Theodosia - Aug 10, 2022 3:55:23 am PDT #16785 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Gud, you'd be in the wrong no matter what you would have chosen. Since there was an unexpected availability, I think you were less in the wrong to have exercised early so to get dinner done, since you couldn't anticipate it.

If you'd exercised later, you would have been criticized for not getting dinner done on time.


Theodosia - Aug 10, 2022 3:57:30 am PDT #16786 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

PS Have a good trip, Sheryl!


Laura - Aug 10, 2022 8:22:16 am PDT #16787 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Chilly today. 70F, but feels chillier than that to me. I had been looking forward to a trip to Tupper Lake (where my dad was born) to go to the Wild Center, but I haven't heard a peep from the kids. Yesterday they made noises about maybe going Friday instead. I suspect she isn't feeling good, but it would be nice if they verified this. I am thinking of a date night tonight for us instead, and I'll do the family excursion Friday.

Also, in random whiny news, my younger son's wife is like 4 months pregnant, but they haven't bothered to tell us. Haven't seen them in about 18 months. They didn't bother to say happy mother's or father's day either. It is out of my hands, but I expect a prodigal son scenario at some point. Don't need hair pats, but this is something I carry in my shattered heart every day. I wish I could say I am not losing sleep over it anymore, but that isn't yet the case. Maybe some day it will get easier. Where there is life there is hope?


Theodosia - Aug 10, 2022 10:07:40 am PDT #16788 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oh, that does suck. My brothers don't reach out to me at all, and I don't get much communication out of the family except for Facebook. I feel rather orphanned.


Laura - Aug 10, 2022 10:24:08 am PDT #16789 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

It is so outside of my lifetime family experience. All of my immediate family, siblings, cousins, and beyond have always been so close. If any of them showed up at my door at any time with or without notice I would be delighted and they are always welcome to stay. I know that the same holds true for them. Brendon is super close with all of his family too. It is a tradition in our family to surprise people by just showing up from out of town to visit and it has always been joyous fun. It is just the way we were raised. To not only not feel welcome by my own child, but to be completely rejected by him is just something I don't think I'll ever be able to understand.

tl;dr Parenting sucks.


DavidS - Aug 10, 2022 10:26:00 am PDT #16790 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm sorry, Laura, it breaks my heart that he's made this choice.

I've actually been more in touch with my sister in the last year than the previous ten. This is because she got a smart phone and we could start texting each other.

Also, I was just checking on her more regularly during her cancer treatments. This is how I got all the new context on fucked up family lore.

I want to fly her out to stay with us, but I was putting that off until we got the windows fixed. But that back order supply chain issue on curved glass stays stuck. They did finish one complete window out of the eight being fixed, though, so I can see how nice it will look when it's done.

Also, she's super busy with her work right now, so I think that will taper off come the fall and I can get her out for a visit. She hasn't been to SF since Matilda was christened.


askye - Aug 10, 2022 10:34:18 am PDT #16791 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

Sheryl I hope the trip goes well. I know you didn't ask for advise but if you have cimfort things for him and work in some transition time for the spots and watching out for things that are loud or bright it might help.

That sucks Laura


Laura - Aug 10, 2022 10:49:09 am PDT #16792 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

It's wonderful that you have reconnected. The only reason I still deal with FB is the connection to family I wouldn't see otherwise. I have to find some better method of pet care so that I can travel and visit family and friends more easily. Animals complicate life. Particularly Skinner because he is so accustomed to having me around all day and night.


JenP - Aug 10, 2022 11:36:06 am PDT #16793 of 30000

Laura, it is heartbreaking, and unfathomable. /Not a hairpat

Sheryl, travel mercies to you.

I finally believe that whole "find something you like to do, and you'll do it!" thing with respect to exercise. If there's a pool involved, I'm happy.

Why it took 54 years, I don't know, but whatever. I went lap walking (bouncing, hopping, fake swimming, water-yoga-ing) this morning, and it was so fun.

And the 15 mins. in the hot tub/spa thing didn't suck either.

Now I can never move, because we're only four mins. away from the community center.


Laura - Aug 10, 2022 11:51:14 am PDT #16794 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Water exercise has the added bonus of not being stinky when you finish!